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MtnSurf

Looking for some feedback on traction devices. I was diagnosed with peyronies in July of 2012. The doc I saw in chicago suggested I use a traction device along with the pentox, cialis 5mg, L arginine, pycnogenol and clomid (estrogen blocker). I plan on seeing him again this winter. My dick was bent in half by my ex girlfriend's pelvic bone during sex just over a year ago. I have an earlier post on this site with more details of injury. Since then I have seen some minor improvement, but still have about 40% loss in function and at least 1 inch or more loss in length. I have no major curvature. Just a hardened area of plaque where I was bent with some prominent lumps. I still have some pain around and along the hardened tissue.

1. Does anyone have any definitive, positive results of using a traction device? I'm using the one he suggested which is a "fast size" with extenders. I use it 2 times daily if possible for a total of 2-3hrs daily.

2. What is the idea behind stretching? I'm assuming it's to stretch the contracted, scarred tissue in hopes it will loosen? I've read in some forums that I'd be better off leaving it alone and may be irritating it further by stretching and masturbation etc. Then I've also heard it's a muscle that needs to be stretched & used. I don't want to damage my dick any more than it already has been. This injury has been very devastating on many levels, as all of you can relate to.

Thanks for any info or opinions. Sorry if this question is repetitive.  

Hawk

The completely honest answer is - no one knows!

Some have theorized about traction possibly causing micro tears if you are not taking pentox to soften the plaque, among them the well respected dr. Lue.  In 9 years on forums however I have never known a single account of someone saying they used traction on a regular basis and they got smaller, more ED, or more curve.

Hawk
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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MtnSurf



Thanks Hawk. I guess I'm trying to figure out if the traction device could slow down the healing process at all or interfere with healing some.  

LWillisjr

MtnSurf,
If you are going to Chicago, then would highly encourage to see Dr. Levine. He is at Rush University Hospital.
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
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MtnSurf

Quote from: lwillisjr on January 23, 2013, 06:26:32 PM
MtnSurf,
If you are going to Chicago, then would highly encourage to see Dr. Levine. He is at Rush University Hospital.

lwillisjr,  Dr Levine is who diagnosed my peyronies. I'll go back to see him this winter. I'm from Pittsburgh. You & I have corresponded via email. I appreciate all the info. Thank you

pizzaman

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you MtnSurf. I've been seriously considering traction, but I'm just worried that it might be counterproductive in some way. The more I read, the better it sounds though. Another confusing thing is deciding which one to get.

Hawk

If you mean which traction device, there are only 3 issues.  Here the are in order of importance:
1. It MUST HAVE spring loaded traction which all but very cheap ones will have.
2. Cost.  Once you get a decent unit much of the cost is the box it's in, color, other unimportant stuff
3. Wide comfort strap attachment rather than just the traditional noose.

All the major models are designed the same.

X4 labs makes an reasonably priced unit much like fast size etc, etc.  it has a system using noose or strap so you can use what you like or alternate.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

TooYoungForThis

I've tried countless times to try and look for any case where the stretcher didn't cause problems/actually improved something but I have not been successful. All the posts on this forum are kind of vague and one person said after getting their peni stretched they could no longer achieve a full erection because their penis had too much extra tissue for the blood to engorge it.

I don't know how true it is, but I don't want to take any risks with a device that stretches my penis unless I'm absolutely sure. Also I used to do gentle stretching in hypothermia treatment and all it did was make the top of my penis head go numb for a month. Nerves regenerated, but still.


-TYFT

Hawk

If you don't want to do it unless absolutely certain of the outcome, then you made your decision.  Go to one of our other boards.  


I have had many medical procedures in life.  I research and question doctors.  I have never had a guarantee.  Even if you get a routine ct scan with dye they make you sign a form that you know it might kill you.

If you want guarantees here is the only one we give.  Do nothing, and we guarantee you will get worse.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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MtnSurf

Quote from: pizzaman on January 24, 2013, 02:57:58 PM
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you MtnSurf. I've been seriously considering traction, but I'm just worried that it might be counterproductive in some way. The more I read, the better it sounds though. Another confusing thing is deciding which one to get.


Pizza man & Too young for this, I've been stretching since August 2012. I can say that I haven't seen things deteriorate since then, I'm just not sure it's making a difference. It's tough to say if things get better over time in a case of trauma , like mine or if the stretching & meds are actually helping. My peyronies didn't develop over time, my dick was bent during sex and it scarred.  Also the doctor I saw in chicago is probably one of the best as far as knowledge/research of peyronies and reputation and he thinks it may help. But his opinions may be based only on theory and not actual stats & results.

Hawk

There are VERY few stats on Peyronies Disease treatments.  The only study I know for traction was one very small study done privately by Dr. Levine.  Obviously it was not a bind study so that is all we have.  I have yet to see any study on the VED.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

swolf

I'm wondering if traction will help me because while I have severe loss of girth, I don't have a very noticeable loss of length. I'm assuming the idea is to stretch the length forward, and via that the girth can be expanded to whatever degree and improved... but if I don't have much length loss, is there really much to stretch in that way? I don't want to stretch past what I naturally have length-wise, as that seems like it would cause damage, or is the idea to stretch a little past that? Has anyone used it with loss of girth but little loss of length?

Hawk

I actually question that you can have a significant loss of girth without a significant loss of length.  Traction definitely increases girth along with length so your question is difficult for me to address.  I have to wonder if you just don't have good pre-Peyronies Disease measurements to accurately tell you that you have lost length.

Hawk
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

swolf

Quote from: Hawk on February 02, 2013, 10:04:53 PM
I actually question that you can have a significant loss of girth without a significant loss of length.

That is what I have.  I believe I've lost a little length but not more than about a centimeter, which I don't consider major.  I have girth restriction around my shaft that is very apparent flaccid -- I am a lot narrower -- but stretches out somewhat upon erection. Proportionally with length there's just no comparison; I'm still basically the same length but have lost a lot of girth.

Hawk

What is apparent flaccid or semi-erect is hardly relevant.  Deformity is determined by erect state.  One of the tests for Peyronies Disease and penile health is to stretch a flaccid penis.  If it stretches in length it indicates elasticity and a healthy penis.  Scar tissue (plaque) does not stretch period.  So, I am still bewildered with your explanation.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

swolf

Maybe "stretches" isn't the right word. I've lost girth and it's apparent in both flaccid and erect states. I have this tight painful restriction but can still get an erection, and that erection is still tight and restricted, just... larger than flaccid, obviously. So did the damaged tissue causing the loss of girth "stretch"? Seems like it. And scar tissue or not, it's some kind of damaged tissue.

TooYoungForThis

If you can't stretch scar tissue period then why am I even trying to use the ved  :-\ :'(

Hawk

You can stretch scar tissue therapeutically.  It is done every day.  Therapists aggressively(my word) stretch scar tissue on burn victims to prevent loss of use of limbs from drawing/contracting of scar tissue.

You cannot grab a flaccid scarred penis and stretch it in one pull with your fingers.  The elastic stretch is gone.  There is a huge difference between pulling on a penis to check elasticity and therapeutically stretching scar tissue.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

ThisWontWork

Pentox, CoQ-10, L-Arginine, VED, some Chinese herbs

keithevans

Reasons for streching body.

•   Reduced muscle strain.
•   Better range of movement in the joints.
•   Improved muscular coordination.
•   Amplified circulation of the blood to various body parts.
•   Increased energy levels (resulting from increased circulation)
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