My mind is filled with nothing but suicide and peyronies and it's making me nuts

[TooYoungForThis]

              I just don't want to try anymore, I don't feel that I can enjoy life or feel like an adequate human being without my private parts functioning.

How can I hit on a girl? I can't. How can I deal with impotent or small penis jokes? I can't. How can I stroll around in any confidence or look forward to ANYTHING? The future holds nothing, because without sex there is literally nothing for me to work for it seems. I'm not impotent, I can still get an erection, but I have lost girth and length and my case is so unique that I haven't found any other case similar to it and it's driving me nuts. The VED is just so much of a freaking hassle that it's depressing to use. So much slippery mess and then even when I'm done with the treatment my penis just looks swollen and the base of the penis where the circumference has just been diminished to hell remains exactly the same.

Days just keep going faster and my youth (age 21) is just being wasted. I have spent the last of my savings on the VED and some medication but nothing is working. I lost my job just because I was too depressed to do anything. I will be homeless soon and I just want to die by cremation so no one can see my pathetic leftover inadequate body. All the people in high school that hated me got what they wanted. Now they're hanging with my friends with their fancy cars, getting girls and enjoying their youth, while I'm slowly decaying into nothing.

My doctor won't even help me. He just said keep taking pentox and forget about it. How do you forget about something like this?

I don't want to live like this anymore. I imagine having to use a VED for the rest of my life and I just break down.

[james1947]

TooYoungForThis

I will not try to B....t you and tell you that everything is fine, just go on and don't have reason to be depressed.
I am 65 and I have days that I feel exactly as you feel. The VED makes me crazy, prefere 3, 4, 8 bears on my medications and so on. My problem is I can't think about suicide or something because I have  a three year old daughter that I have to take care of her future.
I can say just two things:
Peyronies treatments take time but have success even slow and even with my 1/2 girth and 2" length loss, so you need some patience. I know is very difficult, especially in your age.
I had a few situations in my life (my ex wife was saying to my kids that I am a drunkard and adventurer, she never see me drunk) that have no solution, but buy the end things solved.

Hope my short answer helps, even a little bit. Will take some time but you will find solution.

James

[MattFoley]

I know this sucks but you have to try and stay positive and push forward. Suicide is not a solution.

One of the great pluses you have is that you're young and your body is better suited than guys like me in their late 40's to repair itself. Consider the following:

1) Have you checked your testosterone levels? A lot of what you are saying sounds like low testosterone. At your age, it should be high so please have it checked if you haven't already. Also, have your growth hormone levels checked as well.

2) Using the VED method takes time and patience. You have to be diligent about it and stick the program. It's not a pain if you work it into a regular routine.

3) Check out my intro post and note the various supplements I have been taking. Some may be right for you.

4) Consult with your doctor about increasing your Pentox dose to 800 mg, 3x a day and use Cialis and Viagra on a regular basis. If your doctor doesn't understand Peyronie's, find one that does.

5) At some point, perhaps surgery may be an option.

6) New treatments are being developed and some like Xiaflex, will be available soon.

7) Stay away from smoking.

If you can't get out of this depression, please talk to your doctor about anti-depressants at least for a limited time period.

I get depressed about my situation all the time but I know there's hope, even at my age. You have to keep your spirits up, stay informed, and focus on applying solutions to your problems.

I hope this helps a bit.  

[Skjaldborg]

TooYoungForThis,

I PM'd you my cell number and you can call me anytime you want to talk. We all care about you and we are all suffering from the same disease here. I got this at 29 so I know exactly how much this absolutely sucks to deal with this at a young age. Things get better over time and you will get stronger.  You don't have to let Peyronie's define you.

One day at a time.

-Skjald

[nemo]

TooYoungForThis, I'd definitely suggest taking up Skjaldborg on his offer and give him a call to talk. There are comparatively very few men on Earth who can truly relate to what you're going through, but we guys here can. I'd venture to say most, if not all, of us have at some point during this disease given thought to suicide or at least become clinically depressed. In that, my friend, while you may feel alone, you certainly are not.  

Pick up the phone, and unburden yourself of your pain with someone who has shared it. I think you'll be surprised at how much benefit talking to someone who's walked in your shoes can bring.

As everyone has said, learning to live with Peyronies Disease and the mental and physical healing all take time - it's generally a slow progression. I will tell you this though - I'm 41 (got Peyronies Disease when I was 30) and the best sex I've ever had in my life bar none was in a relationship just a couple years ago, since I've had Peyronies Disease.  If you had told me that would be the case back when I was first hit with Peyronies Disease, I'd have never believed it was possible. I figured I was done.

So, don't assume that you're down for the count. You will learn to work around Peyronies Disease and you will love and pleasure women, and enjoy sex. You just need to give yourself time to get your brain and body in tune, accept what you cannot change and work on what you can.

Hang in there, bud. You're not walking this path alone.

Nemo  

[this_day]

hey dude i know exactly how you feel.  try not to fill your mind with suicide or any other bad things, you will only set yourself up for a snowball effect.  i have been through depression and thought the same as you.  i am a little older than you and have had multiple problems including Peyronies Disease, but remember you need to stay positive

try to revisit your dr and ask him what your options are.  if you're up for it, maybe try surgery.  

all in all, do not beat yourself up, you're still young and don't let one thing dictate your entire life's outcome.  hit me up if you ever have any questions

[MtnSurf]

If I can offer you any advice it would be to talk to your regular doctor ASAP about anti depressant meds. Peyronies doesn't have to define and wreck your life, but it will if you let it. Peyronies has been the hardest thing I've ever had to cope with but it's really not worth suffering over for too long and ending your life over. I recently started taking wellbutrin to help cope with Peyronies Disease and am glad I did. It has greatly diminished my anger and frustration over dealing with Peyronies Disease. I actually found that the wellbutrin is not only helping me cope with the anger but has also returned my sex drive to normal levels. Depression will kill your sex drive and outlook. We all can relate to the amount of suffering this condition can bring, but it's not unfixable. I think anti depressant meds can help you change your outlook and help you enjoy life again.  

[NeoV]

I know how you feel.. I'm 26 and have had this for years. I went through some really crazy phases just lost my mind..

I encourage you to compensate. I know people love to shun others for "overcompensating", but it's what we need to do, and it works.

For me the solution is bodybuilding, and improving my general appearance. Or just trying hard to reach high goals in my life. I may have a dent in my penis but I keep it in the best shape I possibly can. You can hit on girls, and you can be sexy to them.

If it's sex that's making you sad find the hottest girl you can and do everything you can for her sexually minus penetration. You can still be a "man" and even be more manly than others. You haven't lost yet.

[Jonbinspain]

It's very true what NeoV says. This disease hits your self confidence like a train and you need something to boost it back up again. I'm too old to start body building, but I'm in the gym 4-5 days a week. I'm over 60 and in the best shape I've been since my 20's. for what it's worth, a guy in the gym the other day couldn't believe my age when I told him, and said I looked great. It all helps to give you some badly needed "feel good about yourself" sensation.  

[Old Man]

Note to all:

It has been my experience that when using antidepressants, pain killers and any OTC or RXd meds that affect the central sexual nerve system, it slows down my sex drive (libido). And, in general is just slows down my whole bodily functions to the point of being suicidal. Have been there and done that!!!

IMHO, when trying for help with Peyronies Disease symptoms, I have found it best to find another way of controlling my mental process toward keeping an upbeat attitude. It has worked for me during the many episodes of Peyronies Disease over the past 50 odd years of Peyronies Disease symptoms. Any activity that takes ones mind off the nasty malady called Peyronies Disease will definitely help with the problem.

At present I am in an arrested state with Peyronies Disease. This carries my usual caveat about Peyronies Disease which is: let the buyer beware!

Old Man  

[MtnSurf]

Wellbutrin is the only anti depressant that is known to NOT decrease libido in the majority of users. At least that has been my experience so far (and a lot of others) That's why it was suggested to me by my therapist and primary care doc. I felt an almost immediate increase of my sex drive after taking it for a week (back to normal levels for me). Depression will definitely lower your sex drive. I'm not advocating anyone going on meds to take the easy route, but my normal methods of beating my low moods that worked before I had peyronies were no longer working consistently for me. Working out, outdoors activities, exercise, mtn biking.

I have heard from very few people about decrease in libido , is it possible ? yes ... but from what i have read up until now and heard however an increase is more likely. SSRI meds do tend to diminish your sex drive. Wellbutrin is not in that family

I do think if you're considering suicide it's time for drastic measures that can alter your thought patterns of negativity & gloom. I'd personally rather take some anti depressant meds to save my life than to roll the dice and see how long it'll take to bounce back without them or not...  

[LWillisjr]

Interesting, because decrease in sex drive is a published side effect of Wellbutrin. The following is from drugs.com


Less serious Wellbutrin side effects may include:
• dry mouth, nausea, stomach pain;
• headache, dizziness, ringing in your ears;
• loss of interest in sex;
• sore throat, muscle pain;
• mild itching or skin rash, increased sweating, increased urination; or
• changes in appetite, weight loss or gain.

[elro]

TooYoungForThis, I feel your pain brother,  I have had several relationships while suffering from Peyronies Disease but i'm too embarassed to really get physical or even tell them about my problems, they just think i'm some f'~c<+d in the head guy who can't read obvious signs and its driving me crazy, like when you are talking to a girl and they do that thing where they run there tongue along their teeth the universal sign for good times yes i would really really love to F~@< you right now BELIEVE MEEEEEEEE!  right now i am trying magnetic and hypothermia treatments as well as massage, i think a regular man would be afraid of roasting his nuts or getting cancer of the balls, i aint no regular man,  I'm trying to stay positive i find being in such a hopeless(maybe not such a good word) situation brings out my sense of humour, this true adversity has put all the other crap in my life into perspective. stay strong mate

[Jonbinspain]

Elro;
My advice would to be honest with the chick. Until just recently I had a girlfriend 20odd years younger than me. She had no problem with my curve - we just found a way around it. If you tell the lady of your problem before getting down and dirty, most won't mind. If she does mind, well she's not worth concerning yourself about.

Assuming your curve isn't too bad,  the old fella is capable, go for it!  It does wonders for your self confidence.

[NeoV]

Don't give up man. You have so many years ahead of you, you could come out on top and see some big improvements.

The truth of the matter is that a lot of guys have issues with their dicks, or sexuality in general. You are not alone. The trick in life is not to be problem free, it's to master how to cope with your problems, or rather commit to them. You are young, like me, but let me tell you that even if you do try as hard as you can to be with the most sexual and pornographic girl you can find, you will probably fail. Not because of your penis, but because girls like that care about something else entirely.

Girls like that, they just want money. They want a guy who is committed to whatever it is he has, or suffers from. Most girls like that, they don't even know what their sexual preferences are. They refuse to understand themselves and float around until they can leech off a rich guy until they have their baby so they can pass their borderline and narcissistic personality traits to the F^@$!ng child.

You don't need to accept your penis, you just need to commit yourself to it.

You need to hit the gym, stop masturbating for a while if you haven't already, and stop looking at porn as well.

Do what you can.

[DBNO]

I get it. Some of us just can not BS ourselves about the fact that our lives have taken a turn for the worse. The ultimate sexual mind F@#$!!!
I know the problem with me is, ok, I can pretend that everything is going to be alright. I can take my pills, work my pump, read the data go out and make boat loads of money. But at the end of all doing and thinking lies the fundamental fact and that is there is no possible way to sustain a relationship. Or in my case even start one up. What woman would want to be with a guy with a penis that does not work? My Peyronies Disease has progressed to the point that I not only possess a decrepid penis I'm also impotent. This all happened overnight. No, it's game over for me. I had a good run and nature has bestowed me with new challenges. But to BS myself thinking that, it's going to be alright in the relationship department, forget about it. It's not and it'll never be. To this date there is no cure for Pyronies!
So for me, Peyronies Disease is just a reminder that I can no longer participate in one of life's basic pleasures. Locked out of the game and condemned to a life of solitude. Not pleasant, don't you agree?  

[RoyHobbs]

If you truly feel all is lost then you should think about an implant.  

[Skjaldborg]

DBNO,

Actually, I don't agree. I know why you are frustrated. I got this at age 29 and it tore me apart. I did the wallowing in self pity thing too; we all do it. But there comes a point when you have to adjust your attitude and move forward. This is isn't "BSing" yourself, this is called being a man and playing the hand you're dealt as best you can.

Stop putting all the focus on your penis; it doesn't define you. It's important, yes, but it is not your entire being. Get your entire body healthy and put yourself out there if you want to find someone.. You can choose to be defeated by this, or you can move on. The choice is yours.

-Skjald

[Chris Overleaf]

There's some great advice in the comments on this thread I think about how to work on building relationships and be sexy and sexual without penetration, how to build self esteem beyond sexual prowess..

I also think you should recognise that your depression is a problem in itself that needs to be dealt with. People can come through all sorts of hardships positively and others can get depressed in the midst of apparent successes. If you find it hard to talk about the Peyronie's, don't let that stop you seeking help for the depression.

Plenty of women would prefer an honest, open partner who can please in the way that works for them than some twerp with a dick as big as his ego. I can think of men with other serious physical disabilities who often radiate a special kind of confidence that's very appealing to women - and I've also been surprised to discover how many good, loving relationships (of all ages) don't include much sex at all. I think that may be one of the biggest taboos left for men to discuss.

Not saying it's easy but sexuality is about more than a stiff cock and there's a world of toys and kinks and cuddles we can all engage in if we have fingers, lips and bodies.

Also on an internet dating site you can be honest and anonymous at the same time, which might make it a safer place to describe who you are and what you're looking for in comparison to social situations when everyone's struggling to act (boringly) 'normal'.

Hope this is useful, sorry if it sounds glib.  

[emasculated]

@DBNO: I think it's indeed a hard thing not to simply "opt out" of the whole relationship / women game. Afterall, there is going to be ALOT of frustration involved trying to play this game with a dysfunctional penis. I mean even without bsing oneself it is not impossible at all. And many people here can make suggestions. But it's a personal decision no one can make for you. Either continue in the game and try to fix the problem (e.g. implant) or work around it (e.g. understanding female partner). But deal with all the frustrations and feelings of inadequacy, possible risks / disappointments of surgery (and pain).
Or opt out and concentrate your life's efforts on some other persuit. With the latter option you certainly avoid all the frustrations but you might feel lonely. But I don't think you have to be lonely with the second option. Women can be quite annoying and time consuming. Distracting from bigger things. At the same time good, deep friendship with other people of either sex can mean a lot. I know a guy (ok in his 50's doesn't really apply but still) who is impotent and quite calm about the fact. "What doesn't work anymore, doesn't work anymore. End of story." Still has a very happy life. I certainly think the latter is the much more cool and superior option. At least right now where medicine is just not offering any really impressive options.

[Knight]

I'm with RoyHobbs, look into an implant.

[emasculated]

I really don't want to be negative again.. But I have to ask.. how long is it that you are in pain after the implant has been placed? Does anyone know this? I tried to find out information about this but have conflicting answers.

[MattFoley]

DBNO:

The way a man feels about his penis is the way a woman feels about her face. A woman who has her face ruined loses all her self-confidence and feels so ashamed she just wants to hide from the world. Let me tell you a quick story of how powerful and important her face is to a woman. There's a gore movie called, "Hostel". It's a disgusting movie about people who are kidnapped and imprisoned in a place where wealthy people pay huge sums of money to kill innocent people. There's this one girl who has her face massively disfigured in the film. The actress that played that role was being prepped for that scene by having the make-up artist apply this incredible realistic looking plastic stuff to her face. It took a considerable amount of time to apply the prosthetic and make-up. When the make-up artist was finished and the actress looked in the mirror to see how she looked, she immediately burst into tears. Even though it was just make-up, the girl was so distressed by even the thought her face could look like that, she couldn't contain her horror and emotions.

We are just like that when it comes to our penises. Peyronie's is a horrific nightmare but even so, we are living at a time where there are solutions. If you've tried VED, traction, Pentox, supplements, stem cells, the Priapus Shot, etc. and have had no success or not enough to make your penis function appropriately then the next step is the AMS 700 LGX penile implant. This will restore your penis to a more than workable situation. Don't waste another minute wallowing in misery. Move forward immediately on this and get your life back because nothing else is gonna make you happy until this issue is resolved. If my situation were worse, and God knows someday it might get worse, I would be standing in line to get the implant.

That's the best advice you're gonna get here so please get moving on it.

[james1947]

emasculated

To your question, go to:
Penile Implant

James

[restore]

A "defective" penis attacks a man's sense of virility and much of his self worth as a man.  Fair or not.

[james1947]

Yes, you are right restore, personally I am over this feeling.
Was a difficult task, but succeeded.

James  

[restore]

I'm almost there

[LWillisjr]

I understand how important our penis' are to us. And I completely understand the mental anguish when we find our penis changing, becoming distorted and facing the reality of this dreaded disease that many of us did not know about until we had it.

What I don't understand is when one progresses to the point of not being functional or even impotent, then throwing their hands up in the air and giving up. I would try absolutely everything I could to overcome my condition. I am the first one to say surgery is a last resort. But if I had tried meds, traction, VED without success then I would not quit. If I was faced with being impotent to the rest of my life or getting an implant.....  I would spend all but about 5 seconds on that decision.

It seems odd to here someone say there is nothing they can do, when in fact there are still things they can do.

[MattFoley]

Les, exactly!!

The implant that jackp talks about all the time, AMS 700 LGX, seems like the best one out there so if I were totally impotent, I would do whatever I had to in order to get one.

[Knight]

Nice post Les! Wisdom speaks loud and clear!

[liber]

LWillisjr
excellent post. thanks fella

[Norm]

I am involved with a group of Wounded Warriors. Believe me, some of the problems they have to endure make us look like cry babies for complaining about our penises. And for the most part, there is absolutely nothing they can do about their situation. We DO still have options available to us. Put it in perspective, guys. If there is something you can do to make your lot in life better, then do it. There really are those who are worse off than you.
Norm

[restore]

Norm, thank you for that.  I would never want to compare my pain with what those brave men have been through.  

[Old Man]

Norm:

Excellent post! The worst problems that the men and women in the military branches today is the lack of good medical support after they serve many tours in the Eastern World. They get severely wounded, get little medical attention before they are discharged back into civilian life.

They then apply for VA help only to find out that the red tape of that agency slows down to a standstill to even get their application serviced. Many have to wait long periods of time before seeing any doctor for their service connected injuries. I have had personal contact with many of these service men and women in this regard. So, bottom line, the Wounded Warriors program steps in to help, but due to limited capital can only help a few. The Pentagon should wake up, smell the roses, drink a cup of coffee and do something to help these guys.

This post may seem off topic, but it is vitally connected with the number of military personnel now committing suicide just to get out of their dilemma of pain, heartache and in general lose of desire to live. I served 37 and 1/2 years in three branches of the military (active and reserve time) only to see what is now happening to those of us have devoted many years to serving their country with honor. I am thoroughly disgusted with the way that the Pentagon is now treating the brave men and women serving this country!!

OK, off the soapbox and back to the forum subject matter. Nobody knows what is going through the mind of men and women when they lose their sexuality and ability to conduct a normal sex life anymore. So, I understand with regret that some choose to take their lives over the subject of Peyronies Disease and its devastating problems.

Thanks for listening to the rants of an old geezer nearing the end of his natural life!!!

Old Man  

[rellisacct]

I have to chime in here.

I've had this disease for 12 years now, since I was 20 and I am completely impotent now at the ripe old age of 31. I personally believe that telling people what they should or shouldn't feel is somewhat demeaning and self-righteous. Feeling suicidal is a very natural state of being for many people when affected with a life-changing disorder and I know personally that I have wanted to die too many times to count while dealing with this disease. The only two reasons that I haven't taken my life is that 1) I don't want my family/friends to deal with the trauma it would cause and 2) I'm not 100% sure what happens to people in the afterlife who take their own lives (I am Christian btw). Other than that, death would be merciful for me.

We can kid ourselves all we want, but having an implant is nothing like having the real thing...especially when you're young. There have been articles written about what soldiers fear the most in combat, and I have many members of my family who were military and saw combat (dad in Vietnam), and the number one thing is loosing their genitalia. There is a lot to be said for this. Additionally, if this happened to you when you were older (30+), then I can understand having less of an issue with an implant, and this being so especially if you're already settled and have a wife. For people younger than 30 and single, this is a living hell.  

That being said, if you do choose to keep on going through the hell that is Peyronie's, then I agree that you can't give in and you must keep fighting the good fight. The only thing that gives me any kind of hope now is tissue engineering and how close we are. Other than that, I would be a completely empty shell of a person. Feel free to disagree.

[Norm]

I think we can agree to disagree. That's what makes it a great country, a great life and a very good forum for discussing it. But you, yourself, have just told us how we should feel. You have implied that we should feel that telling someone else how to feel is not right. Going in circles here? Yes, we are. The point I'm making is, I would rather have an implant than be dead. But mostly, I would rather have my old penis back. Do you have to feel that way? Not at all. But I think we have to discourage talk of suicide. There is too much at stake to contribute one tiny iota of support to someone thinking of ending it all because his penis won't function. It is certainly life altering. And things can look pretty bleak. But regardless of age, there is just too much else to live for. You can see it every day in the people who struggle to hang on to this thing we call living. I am not trying to argue with you. But I hope you can see my point of view just as I see yours, respecting that we each have our own.  

[liber]

my wife of 18 years hung herself nine years ago. that for me was/is far worse than this condition. it is very simple to commit suicide it just takes a moment. do it or don't burden people talking about it.

[emasculated]

@rellisacct: I agree with your opinion. The whole "others have it worse" than you argument never hit a chord with me. You may be right that losing the genitals was / is one of the biggest fears. I certainly heard from people suffering from ALS that after their sexual functioning was finally compromised they really started to hit a low point. And that's a horrible condition in itself. But you must understand this forum is about providing workable solutions and information on most current treatment options. And it is run by people who are oriented in the direction of trying to deal with it that way. And it is a pretty good forum. Hence talk of suicide will not be met with approval by the majority of people and might be counterproductive to the overall goal of the board. That being said I don't believe you those are the only 2 reasons you continue living on. If you suffer that much people close to you would understand. You don't go on living just for other people. That's too much to ask of you from those people if that were the case. And if you are that committed a christian you could become a monk where the impotence is a bonus rather than a disability. I suspect there is still something more in your life that's worth living for.

@liber: Don't make suicide out to be easy. That may lead people to try it and hurt / injure themselves permanently. It requires some preparation (e.g. the right dose of barbiturates combined with antiemetics).  

[rellisacct]

@Norm I fully respect and understand your point of view and in no way am I condemning or trying to censor anyone, nor was it my intention to promote suicide (which I am definitely NOT a proponent of). Also, if it came across that I'm trying to tell people to feel one way or the other, I apologize as it was not my purpose.

The primary point for me is that we should not de-legitimize people's feelings of suicide. Hearing the same ole "hang in there man, everything's going to be allright" rhetoric gets painfully old and for me is somewhat of a brush-off. I personally have a hard time seeing much purpose in a life that you just have to drudge through minute after minute, day after day pretending that you're not living in some sort of surreal Groundhog Day movie plot. The Walking Dead has nothing on how I feel some days. And I think that feeling this way is completely ok considering the circumstances. I congratulate and almost envy the folks that can go through this and stay overwhelmingly positive about the whole thing. I know that is not a capability for me.

I don't have the answers, but I can understand where people are coming from when they say the just can't do it anymore. To that my advice is go ahead and let yourself grieve, have a pity party, and don't hold it in, but stop yourself short of suicide. The future is brighter than it ever has been for us and we have already gone through the Dark Ages of this disease.

@Emasculated  Hope would be the only other thing that keeps me alive

[rellisacct]

One last thing...

I agree that this forum is great and that's why I want to support it in any way possible. The "Subject" of this thread is "My mind is filled with nothing but suicide and peyronies and it's making me nuts" I am trying to address the topic at hand in my own way, and I openly invite people to disagree with my opinion. I am passionate about this thread because of my experiences and knowing that there are thousands of men suffering through this. Suicidal thoughts are nothing to be ashamed of, actually going through with it is something to be taken way more seriously.

Also, I have been doing everything in my power and telling people as much as I can to try and lift people's spirits, especially when it comes to stem cells and PRP. I have spent a substantial amount of my own money to participate in clinical trials and will tell everyone here every single detail of my results. We are all in this together and supporting each other is vital.  

[emasculated]

@rellisacct: Yet still I believe there is more you can still enjoy _in the present_. What we have now is (reasons to live): hope of a future cure, pity for possible grieve from loved ones and fear of the almighty. Those are just too abstract, remote reasons and not located in the present moment. And two of those emotions are related to fear and guilt. That would be really a sad way to live.

[rellisacct]

@Emasculated;  Yes, sad indeed. My point exactly.

[emasculated]

I also notice that it's only the emotional part of your brain that's engaged with the question. But thinking about it rationally and setting aside the problem that suicide is theologically "verboten" and the guilt part.
Then we are left with the question whether the part of life that consists of suffering outweighs the part that consists of enjoyment and fulfillment or not. That's my approach to the problem. And my answer is that it depends on the individual.

[rellisacct]

So does enjoyment and fulfillment outweight suffering and depression in your life Emasculated?

[emasculated]

Definitely not.  

[james1947]

rellisacct & emasculated

Sorry jumping in your duet.
Both of you quiet a while on the forum.
Have many posts of people that solved they Peyronies and found they way to happiness.
Try to be more positive and hopeful. Life is too short to lose it.

James  

[Norm]

Rellis,
Don't get me wrong. I, too, have had suicidal thoughts before. But then I told myself, ....nah! There is too much else going on that I don't want to miss. On the other hand, my age(64) makes my perspective of life different from a younger man's. I acknowledge that. The rest of my life is not nearly as long as the rest of a 20 year old's life. I see that too. What I don't see is thinking that life without sex is worse than death. Again, perspective. I try to see everyone's point of view. But that does not mean I try to agree with them all. I just want to find a way we can reconcile our views to the betterment of all. I do see situations where I think death is merciful. This is just not one of them.

[rellisacct]

I think that yours is a very fair assessment Norm.

I don't even necessarily believe its the sex part as much as loss of intimacy, loneliness, and loss of self (marriage, kids, passion) that ensues. These things far outweight the pure sexual pleasure aspect.  

[Knight]

rellisacct

You made this statement below:

"We can kid ourselves all we want, but having an implant is nothing like having the real thing..."

Would you please elaborate?
What kind of implant do you have?
What problems are you experiencing with your implant?

[rellisacct]

Knight,

I do not have an implant. I was using common sense. I'm sure an implant can get you back to having satisfying sex as many on here have stated and I think it's great that this option is even available, but it is not possibly the same as "the way things used to be".