Alcohol and Peronies

[ldhw]

I was wondering how many of you gentlemen would say you drink more than you should. I admit to drinking more than I would like. I have also noticed a decrease in joint aches and pains when I cut back for a while. I also attribute my initial injury which started the peronies to drunk sex and an under inflatted penis. Anyone else have the experience that cutting back improves peronies symptoms?

[Norm]

I have to admit that I went through a heavy drinking period. During that same time period I got the Peyronies Disease. I cannot say the two are related, maybe just coincidental. I have since cut my drinking back to what would be a normal amount; two or three beers on a weekend. I have not seen any resulting improvement in the Peyronie's, but I do feel better overall. I don't know if the alcohol contributed directly to the Peyronie's, but I feel it certainly didn't help any. Yours is a good question. I hope more will answer.  

[james1947]

I have to admit also that I am drinking more than I should.
Regarding the connection to the Peyronies, I really don't know.
I am drinking more than I was before Peyronies.

James

[ldhw]

Well Id say its understandable you are drinking more now peyronies sucks, no doubt about it. My theory is that somehow excessive alcohol consumption does a few things. Firstly it keeps your liver busy making enzyms to neutralize alcohol instead of alot of other important stuff its supposed to be making. Secondly It makes your entire endocrine system subfunction. Lastly due to the affore mentioned subfunctioning systems our bodies tissues are weakend. When these weakend tissues are damaged instead of healing properly they are beset by a runaway inflammatory response which prohibits proper healing. Of course this is just my half baked guess but perhaps someone smarter than me will do research that proves me right.

[Skjaldborg]

Similar conversations have happened before on this topic but I'll weigh in again. Excessive alcohol consumption over a long period of time is a bad thing. It puts stress on the liver, increases risk for GI cancers and can obviously impact social relation ships. Also, being very drunk and attempting to have sex with a less than erect penis is a mad move.

However...

Moderate alcohol consumption has health benefits. It's good for the heart, reduces inflammation, is a vasodilator (opens blood vessels, that's why we feel "warm" when we drink) and sometimes a cold beer or glass of wine with friends is very good for a troubled mind. There is no evidence that moderate alcohol consumption will have a negative effect on Peyronie's disease. If you are not an alcoholic and can control your drinking, just limit your intake to no more than 2 or 3 drinks per day and you'll be fine. Peyronie's is awful and sometimes we need to live a little.

Skjaldborg

[ldhw]

Yes to be clear I am speaking of consumption more on the level of  a bottle of wine or more a day, every day.

[skunkworks]

Yes to be clear I am speaking of consumption more on the level of  a bottle of wine or more a day, every day.

Yep I go through periods of that and more sometimes.

When I've had a dry month, erection quality is much better (and my fiancee says it is thicker).

[james1947]

I find a file that supports the 2 or 3 beers per day theory. Attached as PDF, please keep in mind that I have no right to publish it.

James

[Norm]

I was drinking at least a pint of distilled spirits every night. Two if I got an early enough start. And I mean EVERY night. I have no idea why I did.  That's for another forum altogether. I hate to think that caused my crooked wiener. But I had lots against me: heavy drinking,no exercise, ate whatever I wanted, over weight, blood sugar high, taking beta blockers,  have fibromyalgia, have Dupuytrens, high stress job, the list goes on and on. I doubt it was any one single thing that caused my Peyronies Disease, but I am certain that the combination did. After the fact, I have cleaned up a lot. Again, I have no idea why. It was just time to. I am still left with this dysfunctional dick as my reminder. So I am trying diligently to do something constructive about it.
    Just based on the few answers posted on this subject, I almost can guess that most of us have a history of some heavy drinking. But I also guess that there were other factors, not just drinking, involved. If we all made a list of the characteristics we have/had that indicates a proclivity toward Peyronies Disease, I bet alcohol would be close to the top of the list as a possible culprit. Excepting trauma, I think it mostly boils down to an unhealthy lifestyle. Even in the case of trauma, the likelihood that Peyronie's will develop still goes back to lifestyle. In summary, I doubt that it is one solitary event or cause for our common problem. But I bet that our problem came about by a group of characteristics that ARE in common. I will get off my soapbox now. I yield the floor.  

[LWillisjr]

Speaking from the other side......   I don't smoke, don't drink, good health, and still got Peyronies.

[Norm]

You just blew my well-thought-out theory out of the water! Back to the drawing board. I hate to think its just destiny!  

[skunkworks]

One person doesn't blow a theory out of the water, just as three people don't confirm it...

[ldhw]

While I have no doubt MANY factors come into play including a genetic proclivity toward peyronies in my case and I suspect many others alcohol is a major contributor. I just hope that getting my drinking under control may also be a contributing factor in my recovery. Thanks all for adding your thoughts to this thread. Knowledge is power and our combined experience represents a major source of both.

[Skjaldborg]

Regarding a list of all the things that forum members did/do that may have contributed to Peyronie's: correlation does not equal causation. You might find that several of us enjoy hiking, sauerkraut and line dancing, but that does not mean that those things are contributing factors. Alcohol is a nearly ubiquitous food product in many cultures, particularly North America.

My money is on a genetic predisposition with certain medications, sexual behaviors and other diseases that cause the initial injury.

[swolf]

I drank very heavily the year I started developing Peyronie's (beginning of 2011, though I didn't really concretely acknowledge the condition till late 2011 after I had for the most part stopped drinking). Easily a bottle of wine or the equivalent of vodka, often much more. Most days of the week. This went on for several months and was also a time of extreme stress (the two went hand in hand, obviously). I hadn't had much of anything to drink for years before that. It was a huge factor in precipitating the onset for me, but I don't think it was in any way the cause. For me, I think that was/is mostly Lyme disease, along with whatever genetic or other dispositions.

[james1947]

Skjaldborg

You are insulting me and my compatriot's   buy saying:

Alcohol is a nearly ubiquitous food product in many cultures, particularly North America

I am not talking about the culture part, I am talking about "particularly North America"
In my country, every village have a few households making they own alcoholic beverages, sometime much more than a few.
And I am not talking about beer. Beer is too light.

James

[Skjaldborg]

James1947,

You are right, I meant to count our European friends among our boozing allies Asia does their part as well.

Best,

Skjald

[ldhw]

Hmmmm perhaps this illustrates my point that a thread on the potential dangers of alcohol has turned into a pissing contest on which culture is the biggest alcoholics  And Skjald I never considered  suaerkraut... F^@% I love the stuff!!! Obviously that was the cause. Good news though now that I know I can keep drinking like a fish . I see your point but just because a "food product" is unharmful in small quantities doesnt make it safe in LARGE quantities.

[Noway]

If I drink I wake up with a morning erection and when I drink I find I get better erections. so I think I will add drinking alcohol to the list of my medications.

[Skjaldborg]

Noway,

I would caution against viewing alcohol as a treatment or medicine for Peyronie's. I think it's OK to drink in moderation assuming you aren't driving a car or it doesn't interact with other medications but we do not have any proof at all that alcohol helps Peyronie's.

Skjald

[Hawk]

I 2nd that comment.  

[james1947]

Noway

Alcohol is a blood thinner and may help temporary with erection. Abuse of it (sadly from own experience) reduces the erections and lowers libido.
In 95 when I had a hearth attack, the doctor told me that one cup of red wine per day is a good thing. He give as example the French people (and maybe is not true) that they eat the most fat and not healthy food but have lower rate of hearth problems than others because the high red wine consumption.
I got later to situations that I was drinking two bottles per day and the result was a disaster!!!

James

[Hawk]

I am not sure of the quantity required but alcohol reduces testosterone.

[Noway]

it was more of a joke I put it under different topic obviously I know its not a medication.

[skunkworks]

One way in which alcohol might be involved - Effects of Alcohol on Autoimmune Conditions - AutoimmuneMom

[UrsusMinor]

You might find that several of us enjoy hiking, sauerkraut and line dancing, but that does not mean that those things are contributing factors.

Maybe not, but now you've got me worried. I now plan never to do all three on the same day, just to be safe.