VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[jmd]

I have a VED (Touch II) with the Soma Correct inserts.  I need a smaller sized tube is one available or can one be made?

[Glenn]

Bob,

When I was trying to decide about ordering one, I read up on them and then asked Old Man.  That was a few months ago but at that time the Soma Correct was the only one I saw, or that Old Man mentioned as being specifically for Peyronies Disease.  That is why chose it. I think you are right about the three chambers and the design being better aimed at the curvature.  If it was me I think I would insist on the Soma Corr.  I don't know the advantages of a prescription, if your insurance will pay for it etc., but you can buy one on line.   

[Joshua]

I have been reading Old Man’s VED therapy suggestions for years now on the BTC and now thankfully here. When I scan the positive posts that are starting to pop up regarding the VED treatments it makes me happy that Old Man is finally vindicated. I have seen him take some heat for his views on the VED. So kudos to Old Man for staying the course. Please keep up the good work.

Joshua

[bob]

Notwithstanding Dr. Mulhall's negative opinion of the uses for a VED in treating Peyronie's Disease, he DID give me a prescription for one. It's on some form of self-mailing envelope coupon. It, however is not for the SomaCorrect... but for another (battery-powered) variety whose name escapes me.

The form is in my desk at home. I haven't ordered the unit yet. I'm not sure of the name...

My question: The Soma Correct seems to be designed specifically to address curvature, via multiple chambers, etc. A lot of men, on this site and others, are reporting good results with it. Should I insist on the SomaCorrect?

[Glenn]

Well....  I spent an hour typing out a response to Hawk then apparently screwed up the posting of it and lost the message.  This will be a quicker response in case I screw it up. 

My life sort of went to hell in a  hand basket back in September of 2005.  Lost my job, had to relocate, start a new career (80 hours a week).  etc. 

I did not record the degree of bend, girth etc. like I would have if my life had not be in upheaval. 

I used the Soma Correct in the following manor.  I used it twice a day for the first 7 or 8 weeks.  I used the markings on the tube to guage how far I strecthed it each day.  Initially the 'S' on the tube was a goal but later I stretched it about an inch futher than the 'S'.    THE KEY IS TO FOLLOW OLD MAN'S Advice and not stretch it far enough to incure pain or discomfort.  That is why  you will need 30-45 minutes.   I gradually stretched it further.

I can not give you measurements like I wish I could.  I can say this.  The curvature was an acute 90-110 degrees.    Now it is  a more rounded curve and about 70-80 degrees.  Before the VED, the diameter from the begining of the curve to the glans, was about 50% as wide as pre-Peyronies Disease. Now it is closer to 75%.  There is much more mass in an erect state than before (and that comes from my wife as much as me). I  have only tried this for 3 months.  The instructions say it is a 6 month program.  I will post any future success, but I wanted to post this in case anyone wanted to get started on it.  It is a long term project.  I follow the recommended instrutions of 1 wk the small tube, 1 wk the medium tube, 1  wk the large tube, then repeat.

Hawk,

The 90-100% curve did not cause a problem with the VED. Like Old Man says you need plenty of lubicrant and it works OK.   

Glenn

[Old Man]

Hawk:

As you know, I have been doing some research testing of the Soma Correct for the Augusta Medical Systems company. The regional sales rep furnished me a demontration model to use as I see fit and give any feed back to him as well as recommendations for changes, updates, etc. Since Hurrican Katrina blew through, he has been recovering from the storm and I have not had much contact with him, but have been keeping in touch with the company rep in Augusta, GA.

Have been using the Soma now for 6 months on sort of a part time basis. I had no Peyronies Disease curvature/bends when I got the VED. So, there is no progress for me to report on changes, etc. However, I do see benefit from my continual use of the Soma to help maintain the progress that I made with the old Osbon Esteem manual model. Once the symtoms are gone, it has been my experience and some others that one should continue using the VED to keep the penis healthy such as received by nocturnal erections. A radical prostatectomy rendered me totally impotent due to non nerve sparing surgery and the VED has been my only means of getting and maintaining erections for sex.

The Soma is so designed to work with severe curves and bends with 3 cylinders that are used on an ascending size basis when one starts the protocol of 26 weeks as stated in the brochure that comes with the VED.
When starting therapy with the Soma, the penis has to be carefully placed in the cylinder(s) using lots of lubricant to provide a very slippery surface. Only enough vacuum is used to bring pressure to start blood flow into the penile chambers. As the penis curve(s) begin to relax so to speak, then more pressure can be applied to cause further stimulation of the plaque and/or curves. No retentions rings or device like that are used with the Soma for Peyronies Disease. It can be used for ED by purchasing the special break away rings recommended by Augusta Medical.

Again, as I always state when giving any advice about using a VED, extreme care should be exercised to prevent further damage. Overpumping any type of VED can and will cause further damage.

On Marti's APDA forum under the topic of ask the doctor, Dr. Levine answered my question about the use of VEDs for Peyronies Disease. The article explains in medical terms his position of VED usage. I highly recommend that all read this doctor's comments about VEDs.

Old Man

[Hawk]

Glenn,

I think it contributes much more for an infinitely larger group of people to respond to questions on forum.  There are many that would never email you, or even post, but they would read your exchange with those that do.

I am curious if a 90 degree curve did not complicate the VED usage.  Like larry and others, I would like to know the specific degree of improvement in length, girth, bend, etc

[Larry H]

Glenn,

Would you give the percentage of improvement. What is your bend now and so on? Also, how much plaque did you have and where was it located? Did you have any problems with ED prior to using the VED?

I'm delighted to hear of your improvement.

Larry

[Glenn]

As info,I started using the Soma Correct VED 12 weeks ago.  I have seen improvement in the curvature, length, and girth.  12 weeks ago when I started I had a 90 degree upward bend with a  considerable narrowing of the width from the curve outward.  It is supposed to be a 6 month therapy so I am onlyl half way through it but I am encouraged by the change.  Ihad the condition for 18 months before trying the VED.   I had tried the DMSO and other things but so far the only improvment I had seen is from the VED.  I did not exactly follow the directions.  I altered the treatment a little and would be glad to provided the details if anyone is interested.  If you are interested email me and I will be glad to give you more info.

Glenn

[Old Man]

Bob:

I chose to reply here to your post under the other topic in order to keep the subject matter in relation to the name.

Yes, you are right about the pros and cons relative the use of VEDs and other treatments for Peyronies Disease symptoms. There are more and more well known urologists now accepting the use of VEDs as a viable treatment for Peyronies Disease. They do however advise that extreme caution should be used when doing exercise therapy with VEDs. This is what I have stated all along about using a VED on this forum as well as the "old forum" which I won't name. Extreme caution is the watchword and careful manipulation of the device is required at all times. The VED has helped quite a number of guys and I just wish that they would post their success stories for others to see. It does not work for all, but it is worth trying before giving up on trying one.

The APDA forum has a segment called Ask the Doctor and in that topic there are several doctors who answer questions about any and all items related to Peyronies Disease, and other subjects. In the December answer to questions to the doctors, there is a good article that states using a VED is a good treatment for Peyronies Disease.

Visit that site and read the article which explains that doctors position about VED use. The address is www.peyroniesassociation.org/

In October 2005, I asked the question about VED usage and the doctor answered it in the December 2005 Ask the Doctor segment.

As you know, I have used a VED for over 10 years now and had great success in eliminating viturally all of my Peyronies Disease symptoms. Only have a very slight indentation on the left side of the shaft at present with no pain or other difficulty being experienced. It also provides necessary erections for sex since my radical prostatectomy left me totally impotent due to non nerve sparing surgery.

Hope this helps.

Old Man

[Old Man]

soxfan:
I am sorry if I led you to think that the Soma is inferior to other brands. What I meant to say was that it has some features that require careful use to preclude a minor problem. As you probably know, it has three cylinders labeled A, B, and C with C being the larger one and getting smaller down to A. The drawback I was referring to is that the sizing inserts have some slight sharp edges on them and if one uses a higher vacuum pressure, they can and will cause some mild irritation the penile skin. Otherwise, they are superior to the Osbon Esteem when being used for Peyronies Disease alone. The Osbon Esteem works for both ED and Peyronies Disease when using the regimen you refer to in your post.

The Osbon Esteem manual model was the unit that was prescribed for me
after I had a radical prostatectomy in 1995. (The surgery left me practically impotent for all intents and purposes.) It works very well for both ED and Peyronies Disease. For Peyronies Disease I had to make up my own regimen of exercises. The Soma comes with a 26 week protocol that is very effective for Peyronies Disease. If you use the Soma Correct for ED, you must purchase separate retainer ring(s) to hold any resulting erection, etc.

Will be glad to provide the regimen that I use for the Osbon Esteem VED. Let me know which brand and model VED you purchased and will be able to work with you on the exercises.

If you so desire to work more privately, use my email address and we can work that way. Some folks like moe privacy when talking about their personal situations.

Sincerely, Old Man

[soxfan]

Hi Old Man,

Could you elaborate on why you think the Soma is inferior to other VEDS? Also, I have ordered a VED and would be thankful if you could provide the regimen with wich you had your success.


Thanks.

[Old Man]

Gator:

Even though Hawk has given me the title of "knowledgable guru" on VEDs, I am not an expert. Someone has said that an expert is a former drip in a hurry! However, I have considerable experience using a VED and have worked with untold numbers of men in their use.

Now seriously, the Soma Correct is a very good medical quality VED. I have had one now for about 6 months that I am evaluating for the company that produces them. It has somewhat of a drawback over other models of VEDs, but it is still a high quality unit.

If you have gone through the 26 week protocol that is furnished with the unit and have seen considerable positive results, I would recommend that you go back through the 26 week routine, but maybe leave out the smaller A cylinder. Louis of Augusta Medical Systems and I work together on advising how to use the unit, and he says that not using the smaller cylinder could work well in the second phase of using the VED.

Based on the physical size of your penis, the smaller cylinder might be too small and not let the penis develop fuller. It is designed smaller for the "beginner user" so that the curve will be kept as straight as possible when doing the protocol, etc. After you have seen straightening and fuller erections caused by the unit, the smaller cylinder could very well do further damage as Hawk pointed out in his post below.

Again, I categorically state for all, the VED is not for all, but it will help some. Also, caution is the watchword in using the devices. Extreme caution must be used at all times. The old adage of no pain no gain simply does not compute in the use of a VED. If pain is experienced, stop using the device immediately and determine the cause before proceding with its use.

Let me know if you have further questions about the use of VEDs. Have been using one now for over 10 years for ED and Peyronies Disease. It has worked extremely well for me.

Regards, Old Man

[Gator]

My story.
I am 56 years old. I was first diagnosed with Peyronies Disease 18 months ago.
I had a 40 degree curve to the left with indentation and loss of length and girth.
I never had a problem getting or maintaining an erection.

I started using the Soma Correct six months after discovery.
I used it faithfully for 26 weeks.
Then I just used it sparingly for a while.
After 8 months of using the Soma, the left curvature was gone completely and the indentation also.
I now have a mild upward curvature.
I continue to use the devise and continue to see less and less of the upward bend.

I would like to know which of the three tubes I should be using or should I continue to rotate the three?

Thank you,
Gator

[Hawk]

First let me say I have and use a medical quality VED (Vacurect brand).  It clearly can stretch the penis by causing erections much more firm than many men would otherwise get.  I think VED's do have the potential to help many Peyronies Disease and ED patients but I don't think they are a panacea.  In fact, I think they have many limitations and some dangers.  This post is largely opinion, with some well known physiological facts thrown in.

Oxygenation: Dr. Mulhall clearly stated to me that "the VED does not do anything to oxygenate the penis" He stated a VED pulls only venous blood and not arterial blood into the penis.  Venous blood has already had the oxygen removed by other tissue and it is on its way to the lungs to be reoxygenated.  It also contains higher levels of other impurities to be removed by kidneys, liver, etc.  I am also concerned that it does not engorge the significant section of cavernosa that lies within the body.  Anyone that has a penis knows you can easily feel the erect section that extends behind the testicles.  This area remains totally deflated with a VED erection.  On the other hand, firm natural erections pump oxygen rich arterial blood to ALL of the cavernosa tissue. Natural erections also supply stretching.  See the Oxygen/collagen connection. 
http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,130.0.html

Possible Danger: If you take any of the numerous nutrients, herbs, or spices that thin the blood, then relatively light vacuum pressure can draw blood through the capillary wall.  This results in small pinpoint dots of red that are visible.  I have read that whole blood is a strong irritant that sets up scar tissue formation after many surgeries.  Could small amounts of blood drawn through the vessel walls do so in the penis?  Check a medical "pre-surgery" list for the items that thin blood.  They range from garlic to ginger, ginkgo, aspirin, to vitamin E, and about 50 other common items.  There is always the question of whether the stretching of acute Peyronies Disease tissue irritates the healing process further and causes more scare tissue.  This could be compared to scratching, or over stretching surface scar tissue (meaning scars on the skin surface) , which is know to increase scar production. 

If the VED stretches tissue, wouldn't it stretch the heathy tissue at least as much as the tougher scar tissue so the curve or indentation would still remain in the same proportions even if you did regain some size?  How can it stretch the scar tissue and not stretch the more yeilding normal tissue at the same time?  If you had a baloon with a thicker patch of baloon material on it and blew it up some more.  Wouldn't the normal baloon material stretch the most?  I have developed a bit of a lateral curve I never had since using the VED.  I have gained some length though.  I have wondered if the healthier side stretch a bit longer rather than the shorter side shrinking.

Finally, I want to be clear, I am not against VED's.  I also recognize that one of the most decent and helpful human beings I have ever called a friend is on this forum.  Old Man is knowledgeable on VED use and always ready to help.  I do think a VED is especially useful for those that cannot have normal erections.

I just want to remind everyone that we tend to over simplify things, when in fact there are hundreds of factors to consider.  The issues are confusing to medical staff that sincerely spend their lives looking for the answers.  We cannot assume that we can draw conclusions from one or two facts like: "it pulls in blood, blood is good, I am going for it."  Newcomers especially need to think through the issues before they try a specific treatment whether it is with a VED, some supplement, or conventional therapy.

That has been inside my head for sometime, I just had to get it out. 

Best wishes to all.

[bob]

I have two cents to add on this topic. I went for what was supposed to be my last visit to my urologist in NYC last week. But... my blood pressure was too high and they couldn't do the test, so I'll have to return.

I did, however, ask for and receive a prescription for a V.E.D. Specifically, an Osbon battery powered unit, with a caveat from my doc: In spite of what seem to be positive experiences from many, he says VEDs are not an effective form of P.D. treatment.

I will proceed nonetheless. I'm not completely satisfied with the results of my verapamil injections. I will, of course, be chatting offline with Old Man on the merits of my prescribed unit, and how the treatment regimen he uses might be modified to fit its specifications.

[Old Man]

averagejoe:
You are not whining about nothing. Letting Peyronies Disease go further without doing at least something to help out should be unheard of in the early stages. I developed it at an early age of 24 (now 76) and jumped right on to getting some attention for it. However, in those ancient years of medicine about Peyronies Disease nothing much could be done. My history is published somewhere on this forum under another thread if you care to go that far into reading about one's history, etc.
 
Now about using a VED. I suppose that I am considered the guru on this forum about using the VED for Peyronies Disease and ED sypmtoms. It has been the only "Treatment/therapy" that has done anything for my Peyronies Disease. Having had a radical prostatectomy, it too is the weapon of choice for erections due to a non-nerve sparing surgery. I truly and firmly believe in vacuum therapy for Peyronies Disease. Since you mentioned the Augusta rep, I am acquainted with the local rep in the Alabama Gulf Coast area and he has provided me with a Soma Correct manual model VED to evaluate and give feedback to the company about any recommendations that I might have about it and it use/operation. I have made several to the company and hope that they will be incorporated in an updated model soon.

Bottom line, in my opinion, based on what you state in your post, I would recommend that you get back with your urologist and at least explore the possibilities of what the Soma Correct or the Osbon Esteem VEDs could do for you in early therapy for your Peyronies Disease symptoms.

A number of guys that I have worked with have had as much as a 90 degree curve and has had great success with the vacuum therapy. VED therapy does not work for all, but it has worked for many. Would be glad to share with you any information that I have to assist you in any manner. My email address is available on this forum in my profile or on any post in the left margin.

Sincerely, Old Man

[averagejoe]

I'm 43 and have been recently diagnosed with BPH.  The doc will be doing an Indigo laser procedure this Thursday to open up the urethra especially near the bladder.

For years I've struggled with drippage following urination.  To compensate, I started doing a little palpitation method to chase the extra drops out.  This method ended in a little sequeeze with tissue paper at the head of my penis.  About 10-12 weeks ago I noticed a little (negative) sensitivity at the head during erection.  About 6 weeks ago I developed about a 10-15 degree rt-turn curvature, just at the head during erection.  I swear, I must have unknowingly done this to myself!  I can't feel any noticable plaque as described with other posts.

Doc is anti injections, but would prescribe TV if I wanted to try it.  He's more inclined to schedule me with the Augusta rep and try a VED.

I'm afraid to do nothing; I let the BPH go on for years.  I'm concerned things could get worse.  I'm looking for any advise or comments.  Am I whining about nothing?  Could a VED help with this kind of curve?
Thanks...

[Old Man]

Steven:
Yes, that is the right Osbon Esteem manual model and the one that I use. They can be found at a cheaper price at this address though:

www.erecaidpumps.com/

Don't think an RX is required at this site either, but be sure that you ask what warranty the units have before purchasing. Some guy have reported that some sites do not warranty their VEDs which are sold without an RX. You many not know, but the Osbon units are now made by the Timm Medical Division of the Endocare, Inc. company in Minnesota. They have a toll free number to call. You might want to tap into their site for info too.

It is:   www.timmmedical.com/

Again, be sure you ask about warranties before purchasing any VED. I am surprised that there are none of EBay. There is usually several listed there all the time.

Regards, Old Man

[steven]

Hi Old Man, Its Steven, I have written to you several times in the past, finally decided to use the VED to get rid of an 15 - 20 degree curve, indentation that won't go away, is this the correct Osboom device on this page, it seems I don't need a Rx and I was thinking of buying this one, is it the correct brand?  I couldn't find any on EBAY

http://www.stlmedical.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=EA11-30

Steven

[Old Man]

Will:
Yes, do the milking exercises right after doing the Soma protocol. You should lube the entire length of the shaft liberally so that the cylinders will slip back and forth without friction. You have to lube the Soma cylinders well up into them to prevent the penis from "sticking" on the walls, etc. You will soon learn the right amount of lube after a few tries. Start off with a small amount and add lube until you feel comfortable with the right amount that lets you do the exercise without being too tight or rouch, etc. The cylinder must slip back and forth with difficulty while maintaining the vacuum pressure, etc.

I use a water based lube that is available at any WalMart or similar type store. It is an Equate labeled product (personal lubricaant) that comes in a new type container with a large flip top opening. It runs around $2.00 per tube and is just as good as the Soma or the Osbon lube. I have never used the company brands since I started using the VED in 1995.

Keep us up to date on how things are going for you. If you need further help, just let us know.

Sincerely, Old Man

[Will]

Old Man...thanks for the information...I will try this "milking procedure" beginning tonite.  Does it require more lube, such as lubing the entire cylinder?  Also, this Soma Lube gets pretty expensive... is there any other lube that I can buy in a regular store that will suffice, and also save me some money?  Should it be totally waterbased?  If you use something other than soma lube, what do you use?  Also...do you perform the regular session with the soma (from the pamplet) for the 10 pumps, and then afterward do the "milking procedure?"  Thank you so much for the help....


Will

[Old Man]

Joshua:

Read my reply to Will below. This procedure will work very well with both the Soma Correct and the Osbon Esteem. It could also work with any other VED provided that you have a way to control the pressure, etc.

The milking action worked best for me with the Osbon Esteem with only one cylinder because it allows one to get a good seal near the immediate area of the indentation. Working the varying degrees of pressure causes the blood to flow the same way and in turn helps with better flow especially after repeated use of the exercise.

Hope this helps, but if you have other questions, let me know.

Regards, Old Man

[Old Man]

Will:
I have a Soma Corrrct VED that is currently being tested and evaluated for the Augusta Medical Systems. The recommended procedure for it's use is the 26 week regimen that comes with the unit. However, one can adapt different ways of using it even after doing the prescribed exercise for any given day.

After using the Soma for about 4 months now, I have learned a trick or two that can be applied by anyone when using the Soma. If you want to, you can just use all three cylinders and only pump enough pressure to get a good tight seal. Then, pull the entire assembly in and out on your penile shaft which is sort of like milking a cow's teat with a milking machine. Some pressure will naturally drop off, so keep adding enough to keep a good seal while doing the action. It takes a little practice, but after several tries it becomes second nature. What this does is applies varying amounts pressure and in turn forces more blood in and out of the affected area. I did this in addition to the regular exercises.

Along with the Soma Correct as well as the Osbon Esteem exercises that I use, I took large doses of vitamin E for several months. Currently, I am taking only 400 I.U.s a day at the dinner meal along with my regular senior citizen vitamins. If you do elect to use high E dosages, you must get your blood monitored for toxicity frequently to preclude a toxic build up.

Overall, using the Osbon Esteem manual VED, it took me about 6 months to eliminate a 45 degree downward and to the right cuver. A very slight indentation where the plaque was located remains, but causes no problem with erections produced with the Osbon Esteem VED.

If you have further questions, just let me know and I will endeavor to answer them for you.

Regards, Old Man

[Joshua]

Old Man:
Any special considerations when using the VED to improve indentions?
Thanks and best wishes.
Joshua

[Hawk]

Will,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for contributing with your post.

I will let Old Man and others with more experience than I reply to you about the VED.  There is one area that I cannot remain silent on however..  All evidence from the timing, to the exact location of the plaque, to studies on papaverine and penile plaque all convince me my Peyronies Disease was caused by injections for ED.  Evidence suggests that beyond the impact of the needle prick is papaverine itself.  It is a component of both bimix and trimix and reportedly carries a higher incidence of penile plaque than some other injections such as Caverject.

Personally, I would try every ED option known to man before I tried injections.  If I tried injections I would try everything before I tried papaverine

[Will]

I have been using the Soma-Correct religiously since May of 2005.  My problem is the distal end of the penis is restricted in receiving the engorgement it once obtained during erection.  Also the left side of the distal area of the penis indents, causing my penis to bend to the left.  When I began using the soma correct, which was doctor prescribed, it resulted in penile engorgement, but not total engorgement.  This occurred during every daily session, for 2-3 months.  I explained this to the prescribing physician, and he advised that I needed more blood in the penis, to give it more "torque," therby really stretching the scar.  To achieve this, he told me to either use viagra, cialis, levitra, or injectable tri-mix before my daily session with the soma correct, therefore achieving total engorgement and appropriately stretching the scar.  What is everyone's opinion of this therapy?  And, since my main problem is the indention in the upper left region of the shaft (this is the only area more narrow than the base), is it wise to just "pump" this area to concentrate on the problem area.  It is noted that I "pump" the entire penis as instructed in the soma correct manuel, but afterwards, will just pump this problem area of the mid shaft for a few minutes afterwards.  Would this extra "mid-shaft" pumping more likely help or hinder this problem area?  Thanks for your help....


Will

[Old Man]

Note to Joshua and blackeyes 19:

Yes, the VED will usually help fill in the indentations left when the plaque/nodules go away. As far as I can tell, the indentation remains because the tissue has not had time to "rebuild so to speak" after the hard stuff has gone away. Keeping the tissue flexed is necessary just like nocturnal erections in a normally healthy penis.

I do believe that continued use of the VED after getting rid of the other symptoms is necessary to maintain what you have acquired from the exercises. Several times in the past I have quit using the VED for several weeks only find that my tool  dropped off in dimensions. Regular exercise in my case, especially since radical prostatectomy left me totally impotent, is in order to keep the old tool engorged with blood to remain healthy. Using the VED for erections in my case is a must. I do on sometimes get somewhat of an erection during stimulation, but not enough for intercourse.

I would therefore recommend that you guys continue use of the VED as a maintenance program to help keep the tissue stretched out and healthy.

Special not to blackeyes 19: My advice to you about using a "stretching device" is just don't do it. There are many products out there that advertise enlargement of the penis with extenders, traction devices and several other forms of "toys". As far as my experience has been with guys that I have worked with, there were no good results, at least on a permanent basis. Some even developed serious problems with infection, etc.

If you there is anything further that I can help with, let me know.

Sincerely, Old Man

[blackeyes19]

hey to everyone on the forum.  I'm not sure how old most ppl are here on the forum.  I am 19 and have had the condition for over 2years.

OldMan, I have the same question as Josua b/c i have no more detectable plaques and just indentations.

this is my first post and it has to do with traction devices...i saw on
http://www.proextender.com/peyronies.html...that traction devices have very good results..Has anyone used these? Do they actually work to any degree.  The website makes it sound too good to be true. Thanks

[Joshua]

Old Man:

I respect your knowledge with the ved more than anyone else I know. I have had a great run of luck with my condition. I can barely detect any plaque left. However, my concerns/issues now are the fact that I have about four or five very small indentions left from where the plague once was. You can’t see them but you can feel them when I am "full". In your experiences have you seen the ved work well in filling the indentions in? In theory it would seem like a good therapy for such issues.
Thanks as always!
Joshua

[steven]

Old Man,

You could certianly write a book, oddly enough, I have several of these odd diseases, the type that hit only 5% of population and I've belonged to  a  few of these internet sites that deal with unusual diseases over the last 5 years.  Take care Old Man, always appreciate your wisdom

Best,
Steven

[Old Man]

Steven:

You are welcome anytime. We all need to work together to try for some relief from this horrible mess called Peyronies Disease.

In some respects, I could write a book about it and its havoc!

Old Man

[steven]

Old Man, THanks for the response...

Steven

[Old Man]

Steven:

What is meant by mis-use of the VED is like just about like anything else that is abused. There are many ways that one can cause further injury/trauma to the penis by mis-use. I have stated over and over many times in my posts about VED usage that extreme caution should be exercised. I will give some specific examples of mis-use below.

1. Pumping up the penis with way too high vacuum pressure.
2. Holding this pressure for extended periods of time after pumping too high.
3. Using a retainer ring/rings while doing Peyronies Disease exercises. They should never ever be used in conjuntion with Peyronies Disease therapy. This causes restrictions of normal blood flow which is essential in Peyronies Disease therapy.
4. Using the retainer ring/rings and leaving them on beyond the recommended 30 minute time limit for sex. These rings act in the same manner that a tourniquet does when applied to any part of the body to control blood flow in an injury. So, leaving them on too long can and will cause injury to the erectile tissue and/or blood vessels.
5. Any violent action while using the VED can and will cause further injury to the tissue.
6. If the VED one is using has a vacuum gage on it, the pressure can be monitored, but the best rule of thumb is that one experiences pain or discomfort, something is not right, so stop and correct the problem before continuing with the exercise(s).

So, bottom line is, do not under any circumstances use too high a vacuum pressure and do not use any violent maneuver so to speak while using the VED. Used in moderation and in accordance with the instructions contained in the package when one is purchased will produce satisfactory results. I recommend using only medical quality VEDs and not those of the "sex toy" type.

Again, as I have stated many times before, the VED usually will work for most all guys. However, there are some cases where the symptoms have advanced to such a state that recovery may not come. I have seen only 1 or 2 cases since I have been counseling guys in using the VED that failed to at least respond to some degree.

Hope that the above helps, but if you have anything further, fire away and I will be glad to help.

Sincerely, Old Man

[steven]

Old Man,

I read somewhere that the mis -use of a Ved could cause numbness in the penis, is that true?, if so, what kind of misue would cause that.

Steven

[Old Man]

adam1951.

Wrote you email off the forum at the email address listed in your profile, but it was returned undelivered stating the address was not correct. You can email me at the one shown in my profile and I know it works because I receive emails all the time to that address.

To answer your question about the VED regimen, no, I have not posted it on this forum. It was posted several times on the old forum, but it raised so much controversy that I just gave up on it came over to this forum. I never post there anymore.

Give me an eamil sometime and we can discuss the regimen more at that time. Sometimes my ISP refuses to accept some addresses when I know that they are right. I might have too many controls on my computer!

Old Man

[adam1951]

Dear Old Man,

Have you posted your regimen for VED treatment yet?  I was looking for it in this thread without success.

[Old Man]

Bob:
As you know, I have used the Osbon Esteem manual model for ED and Peyronies Disease for over 10 years and it has been the "weapon of choice" for both. I also have a SomaCorrect manual model that was furnished by the Augusta Medical Company for evaluation for them. Have been using it in conjunction with the Esteem for about 4 months. They both are of good medical quality and are durable units if handled properly and not abused. Some guys on the old BTC forum have reported of things breaking on the Esteem and the company not honoring the warranty. This was because they were either bought second hand or from a company not authorized to sell them etc. I have not had any mechanical problems with the Esteem unit. Only have had to buy replacements retainer rings for erections caused by normal wear and tear.

My opinion of both is about the same. Each unit is designed for a specific purpose and I will elaborate on each for you. The Esteem is primarily designed for ED. However, I have worked out a regimen of exercises under the supervision of my uro that has worked successfully for me to regain the lost dimensions and corrected the curve(s) that I had. It is a rather simple exercise program that only requires about 10 minutes or so each day after the initial phase of the regimen.  I think that the Esteem still carries a lifetime warranty on the main mechanical parts. They are available on several web sites as reduced prices.

The Soma Correct is primarily designed for Peyronies Disease and is a very good medical quality unit also. It has three different sized cylinders that are used in a 26 week course of exercises. A definite routine is established and a brochure with that regimen comes with the unit. It can also be used as an erection aid when you purchase the separate retainer rings from the company. It carries a good warranty when purchased from an authorized source. From my experience with it there has been no problems at all. It provides a good exercise for Peyronies Disease in that the different size cylinders places pressure at the required places on the penis to assist in eliminating the plaque/nodules, etc.

I really think that if one does not have an ED problem the Soma Correct would be the better purchase. If one has both ED and Peyronies Disease problems, the Esteem would be the better buy. I recommend the manual models of each since you can control the amount of vacuum applied more readily. A battery powered model could cause one to use too much pressure. Caution in the amount of vacuum used is the watchword in either model.

The above carries the usual disclaimer that I do not represent any company in sales nor promotion of VEDs. It is my own experience with the units after a radical prostatectomy over 10 years ago.

If there is anything further that I can help with, just let me know.

Sincerely, Old Man

[bob]

Thanks - as always your advice is right on the mark! I was, in fact, going to insist on a VED prescription upon my return visit to Dr. Mulhall, and still intend to do so. I recently watched a video online for the Osbon model, although it wasn't easy to do because I have dialup at home. (There is a broadband line at work but such content would typically be blocked.)

Having read a number of things from you and others on this topic, should I ask for the Osbon Esteem model (which you use) or the SomaCorrect? Would the latter be easier to use because it is designed for Peyronies Disease?

[Old Man]

Bob:

I too had the narrowing and/or hourglass effect for several years. At times it would go away only to return later. Overall, I would say that it came and left about 3 times over the years.

After my radical prostatectomy, it came back as well as a 45 degree downward and 45 degree curve to the right. Just about everything my uro and I tried came to no avail.

We decided to try a rather simple exercise routine with the VED. It worked, but rather slowly, taking about 6 months. The therapy was done twice a day for 2 months and then once a day for 4 months when the mess just faded away.

At present, I only have a very slight indication on the left side of the shaft that shows where the effect was located. I have regained my lost dimensions and sexual activity is no longer a problem. However, I do use the VED for erections due to total impotence as a result of the non-nerve sparing surgery. My prostate gland was so large that it was not possible to save the nerves.

The above is my observation only. It may or may not work for someone else.

Old Man

[bob]

I have the "waisting" or "hourglass syndrome. After a long period in which my condition neither improved nor worsened, I noticed that the "waistline" of that hourglass seems to be getting narrower. Anybody out there experience the same? Ironically, I just postponed my followup visit to Dr. Mulhall in NYC - I rescheduled for Nov. 1.

Bob

[Old Man]

Mezz:

Sorry that I missed your post regarding an Osbon Esteem manual model VED on EBay. You need to check there on a daily basis. Last Sunday afternoon I was browsing there and saw 9 VEDs listed. One was an Osbon Esteem manual shown as Buy Now for $95.00. It was listed as new in the box.  If it is still available, it should make for a good purchase.

The Osbon Erecaid name is applied to both models of the VED made originally by Mr. Geddings Osbon in Augusta GA. He had two models, the Erecaid Classic and the Erecaid Esteem. Both were/are available as battery powered models also. Timm Medical Division of Endocare Company in MN now has the production rights, etc.

You should keep looking on EBay for one. They do appear there quite often. Several guys that I have worked with bought their's there for quite a lot of savings. One said he bought two of them for around $50 each.

As you know, my personal experience has been with the Classic and the Esteem models of VEDs. I also have a Soma Correct unit that I am evaluating for the Augusta Medical Systems in GA. It is a very good unit, but like the new Osbon units they are quite pricey. But, as the old adage says, you get what you pay for. If bought from the company or their authorized distributor, they carry a better warranty than if bought used (which has none), etc. Any medical quality unit is a better unit that some of the "sex toy models" available as over the counter units.

Let me know if I have not answered your questions, etc. Will be glad to help in any way possible.

Old Man

[mezz]

Old Man,

It seems that the most easily purchased VED is the Osbon Erecaid.  What is your opinion on this model?  I'm thinking I'm about ready to start my next phase of treatment, which is going to take place over the next six months, and will include VED therapy combined with Pentox/Viagra/N02. 

I'm trying to keep costs down, so I'm looking for a VED that is going to be effective, but one that is readily available for not a whole lot of money.  I've looked for the Osbon Esteem that I've seen mentioned, but haven't come across one on Ebay. 

Any advice as far as the purchase of a VED?

[nick]

It seems like something that could be usefull as a sort of brace. If it weren't for her discomfort I would use damn duct tape and popsicle sticks    

[Old Man]

Nick:
The item you are talking about does work for some guys who have a problem with penetrating. It does nothing more than provide support on the underside of the penis to help it stay sort of level or straight. It might help the hinging effect, but from my experience of using a similar product it did not work for me. Rejoyn also makes a mediocre VED but does not appear to be of a good medical quality. Some guys I have worked with have used them with somewhat of a success, etc.

The VED has been the "weapon of choice" for my impotency problem since the age of 55. Started using the VED after radical prostatectomy in 1995. Before that, I used a retainer ring of various sizes and strengths which worked very well. I had to develop as much erection as possible, then slide the retainer ring in place at the base of the penis. In most cases, it worked well.

Now, I use the VED exclusively for erections and it has served me well for the past 10 plus years. Again, I must state that caution is the watchword in using the VED for ED and Peyronies Disease therapy. The best rule of thumb in using the VED is if it hurts or causes discomfort, don't use it.

Old Man

[nick]

I am having a "hinging" problem. I'm thinking about trying a product and I'm wondering if anyone has tried it. It's called Rejoyn support sleeve. It looks great. It appears to be a some what thick silicone to add as the name would suggest support. A sort of schlong sling, or c**k cast well you get the idea. 

[juma]

OM, I would never use anything but an esteem after reading your many posts.  you were absolutely right about the control aspect.  I can see one of those electrics yanking the head right off on an overpump.  I bought two of them used for $50 each on ebay.  they hadn't even opened the lube so they didn't get much if any use.  A pass through the dishwasher and they are great (but don't tell my wife).

One side is slightly indented from an attack 20 years ago.  I'm hoping to stretch it back out over the next year or so.

juma

[Old Man]

JUMA:

This happens sometimes when the temperature of your penis is different from the cylinder, etc. What I did was to run hot water over the cylinder before using it and that seemed to reduce the amount of condensate inside the cylinder(s).

Or, if that does not reduce the fogging, try running cold water over the cylinder in the reverse cycle.

Just experiment with different temps of the cylinder(s). BTW, which VED are you using, the Osbon Esteem, the Soma Correct or another brand?

Regards, Old Man

[juma]

how do ya keep the VED from fogging up?  kind of annoying not being able to see what you are doing....

juma

[Old Man]

Note to Juma:
Yep, it is not unusual to not get an erection the first few times one uses the VED. It takes time, patience and using extreme caution in the amount of vacuum pressure one uses.

As Mountain Hikin Bob says below, go slow and easy, use plenty lubricant and never, but never over pump the pressure. If at any time you experience any discomfort, stop, and relax the pressure before proceeding further.

Caution is the watchword in using the VED. Believe me, I have been there and done that in the overpumping thing. Have had to stop the exercises and let the old tool heal before proceeding.

Take care and you will see results soon.

Regards, Old Man