VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Noway]

If you think about it stretching your penis will ruin the erection mechanism all together because you would be stretching that also. Also another thing is tearing your penis is most likely what caused peyronies disease in the first place. So stretching it out will likely cause more of a risk of damageing your penis further then it is or you can easily tear it if using this method "ved" . For example Just like lifting a really heavy box and you tear your arm its because you stretched it out.....

[Noway]

Tim468 I dont understand this with the ved.. Your penis isnt made to be "stretched out" it will damage the erection process. So maybe your penis will be longer but you might tear it more or make yourself completely limp. Myself I wouldnt use this method.

[Angus]

     I've got shoes that are older than some of the computer experts that take the time out of their lives to post things like this. We'll leave the text for entertainment, but you'll notice the link was disabled shortly after the post was put up. So never fear... we'll be vigilant and watch for these types of posts. So rest easy everyone... and, have a good crabbed expansion 

[ocelot556]

The better should acquiesce you to abounding aggrandize alongside after constraint, and I anticipate of the B butt as acceptance abounding crabbed (girth) expansion, but with a bit of force activated to accomplish you straight.

Somewhere in that paragraph is the hidden cure for Peyronies Disease! I'm sure of it. ;>

[Tim468]

Rex, I'm, uh, thinking that English is your second language. That right?

Tim

[RexXar]

The better should acquiesce you to abounding aggrandize alongside after constraint, and I anticipate of the B butt as acceptance abounding crabbed (girth) expansion, but with a bit of force activated to accomplish you straight.




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[cowboyfood]

lwillisjr & CBK,

thanks for your observations regarding skin.  It's amazing how much I "pay attention" to my penis since I noticed my dent and began treatment.  I'm convinced that my heightened awareness of my penis has its blessings (and drawbacks! but, I've gotten better at not freaking out about an ache, discomfort, or slight pain). 

I'm also convinced that regular (daily) erections and VED stretching has helped.  Like I've stated before, Peyronies Disease notwithstanding, I bet my overall penile health has improved because of VED, pentox, Viagra, supplements, exercise, and diet.

[Ad Quem]

So, is what your saying that I should not have to reach a full erection with the medium cylinder? 

Okay this is my first comment here. I haven't heard of this process. My doctor didn't suggest it, but I will try anything that works. I'm going to read some more here and see what information you guys have posted on this. Are there studies that show this process works? Thanks.

[Jackieo]

So, is what your saying that I should not have to reach a full erection with the medium cylinder? 

Remember....I am fairly new to this too and I am not a doctor...but I do have a curvature.  That being said, "Yes", it is my recommendation that you do not attempt to reach a full erection in any tube while doing your "stretch".  I know...sometimes it just happens.  But, take a break if it happens.  (Note:  I think semi-erect is okay for the stretching exercise).
The fact that you were aware of the timing of your accident and the fact that you do not have a curvature (currently) might work in your favor in preventing the development of a future curvature...if you continue using the VED and you get on a healthy regime of diet and supplements. 
If you want to masturbate maybe wait until you are done exercising with the tube.  My PCP suggested to me that erections are good for a healthy penis and that (it would follow that...) masturbation would therefore be good too.  He told me that I should experiment with how I hold myself (or how my partner holds me) during stimulation or masturbation.  In otherwords, hold yourself differently during masturbation to give your penis a break and to not create any new inflammation.
It is my understanding (and belief) that Inflammation is the big thing...especially in the early state.  Read up on diet and supplements on this forum to see what has been suggested.
Again, post your questions and stay involved.  The guys are great with "helping".
JackieO

[bummedout]

So, is what your saying that I should not have to reach a full erection with the medium cylinder?  Also, my condition doesn't involve any curvature, but instead a plaque at the glans of my penis and right under it, which was from my accident that caused this whole thing, and another in the middle that my urologist gave me by injecting me with something.  I have indentations and a decrease in size, but my major problem is a lack of rigidity while I'm having an erection in the plaque areas.....can't put on a condom.

[ComeBacKid]

Your not  crazy, you can restretch your foreskin with what little is left, I've had other men tell me they did this and improved sensitivity but it takes awhile.  The tension is what does it.  I'd imagine it probably works better with the traction device than the VED, but I think the VED gives a good stretch for my application.  I'm trying to regain lost size from peyronies, both width and length...

Straight from NORM

A Logical and Successful Restoration Regimen

Cells are 'grown' by mitosis, that is cell division. In recent research on tissue
expansion it has been determined that cyclical tension is the most productive. It has also been determined that excessive tension does more damage than moderate tension and therefore tissue that has been overly tensioned will take longer to 'heal'.

Since the shaft tissue is both muscle and skin an appropriate analogy is a body building regimen. One works on the upper body one day and the lower body the next to let each set of muscles have a day of rest to generate new cells and then be coaxed again the following day to grow more cells.

Therefore, one must realize that there is NO fast or instant restoration. One must work into his daily habits a regimen that will suit his lifestyle and work habits, etc. One only needs to coax the tissue to think that it has to cover the longest penis in the world.

A suggested regimen, (which has worked for me and many others, and has been quite successful) is apply weights/elastics in the process of getting ready for work. Then wearing them from four to eight hours and removing them after arriving home from work. Or taking them off at noon time. Restoring while you are sleeping can be dangerous! When you are asleep you may not feel pain until irreversible damage has been done.

It is important to observe the following cautions: Don't cause or endure pain. Don't be overzealous. Don't cause constriction which may cause pain or cause the tissue to change color. Use the color change pressure test for blood circulation. (pp 142,143, The Joy of Uncircumcising, Bigelow, 1998)]

Soon after you start restoring you will probably want to keep the glans covered at all times as it will become more sensitive during restoration. This is because the nerves get closer to the surface as the dead and calloused skin that has been protecting it from rubbing against clothing and such disappears . When you achieve some longer tissue you can use a retainer for the remainder of the evening and night. This will keep the glans covered and protected from rubbing on your night clothes. It will also help retain the sub-preputial fluids to start the process of dekeratinization, (sloughing off of the layers of callous tissue and return the nerve ending to the surface of the glans and inner mucosal tissue. This might be a tape ring or cris cross taping or use of an O ring or Velcro strap.

This nighttime rest period will allow the shaft tissue (derma and muscle) to perform mitosis and grow additional cells.

Some restorers have advocated excessive tension for 24 hours, seven days a week. This type of regimen just does not work well for most of us as we have other things to do with our genitals like sex, bathing, rest and other fun things. As noted above damage to the tissue and much longer healing time are the result of excessive tension. As well it is simply not necessary and will not speed up the process.

An aside - - a fellow phoned me every six months from Texas, and said he was not getting any longer foreskin tissue. He said he was wearing 60 ounces of weight 24 hours a day seven days a week. I said, no wonder, your tissue is rebelling against the damage you are doing to the shaft tissue so stop it.

You only have one penis, and you need to become aware of its structure and its care. Please be careful, be aware of what it is telling you about your efforts to restore its covering.

R. Wayne Griffiths, M.S., M.Ed.
Co-founder & Executive Director of NORM

Their regimen is a bit different I suppose but same concept. This is particularly interesting because it could be concluded you can stretch your penis if you have peyronies and regain size that was lost or correct a bend.

Comebackid

[Jackieo]

Bummedout:
I totally agree with Cowboy and Old Man on the use of the VED.  Old Man has been a great help and an inspiration to me.  Cowboy and I started the routine at the same time so I am thankful for his input and encouragement.
I feel I need to mention that I, too, originally thought that only the large tube "fit".  I even posted this fact.  After a few weeks of trial and error I noticed that the best "stretches" came when I was relaxed and not when I was hard.  In fact, when I was hard I could not reach the extent that I could when I was relaxed and if I did a full circuit of stretches (when I was hard) I was often sore the next day.  The longer, relaxed stretches were comfortable and (I believe) more productive in my correction in the long run.  I don't recall your "profile" so I don't know how Peyronies Disease has affected you.  I have/had a (45-degree) curve to the left.  One good thing about having a "side curve" is that it has been easy for me to chart what I believe is a correction. I have only been using the VED for 3-months +/- and I have had two consecutive months or correction on the degree of curvature.  I posted the drawing the first month (I am not at home currently so I have not posted the latest updated).
What's my point?.....  I think a relaxed stretch is more productive than stretching when you are "hard" and I think that once you master the "relaxed stretch" you may find that you "fit" in the medium tube and (maybe occasionally) into the small tube (I call the small tube the "torture chamber").
Good luck.
I wrote my interpretation of "how" one might approach the use of the VED.  I posted it but if you can't find it drop me a note and I will forward it to you.
Good luck.  I hope your use of the VED is as productive as it has been for me and others.
JackieO

[Old Man]

bummedout:

Yes, it took the greater part of a year to see final results. During that year's time, quite a number of changes were observed. The curves changed, the indentations sort of came and went at will. Other minor changes in the size, shape and other conditions were noticed. The flaccid state became longer and larger around back to my original size and shape before Peyronies Disease.

I noticed you said that you were only using the large cylinder of the Vitality VED. You should try to use the smallest cylinder that fits even with a bit of difficulty. The three cylinder VEDs are so designed that by using all three cylinders in rotation according to the protocol, you provide the best overall conditioning of your penis and the plaque/nodules and/or indentations.

Some of us in the early days had only the old Osbon one cylinder Esteem model VED. We had to develop a separate regimen of pumping different from the later model three cylinder models. Unless your physical size just simply precludes using all three cylinders, try to at least use the medium and large cylinders.

Old Man

[bummedout]

Hello all.

So I've been using my VED for one month now, on average 6 times per week, for about a half hour per session (I usually masturbate while using it so that it's at least not a total waste of time).  I'm using the vitality 3 cylinder device, but you mine as well call it the 1 cylinder because the biggest one is the only one that fits me.  I usually pump until I feel a slight stretch, then release.  I build this up over the course of the half hour so that I can pump a little more and for a little longer.  This technique is just what seems most natural to me.  So far though, I do not think it has made it any better or any worse, other than the fact that my flacid penis seems to be a bit larger.  My real curiosity right now, is what should I be noticing.  Should my plaque become  more stretched?  should it go away?  should I notice increased erectile tissue around the plaque.  I didn't expect to see results after just one month, but it would be nice to know what I should be looking out for.  Old man, I know that you said it took almost a year before you saw your results.  Did you notice any changes during that year?  I look forward to anyone's comments.  I'll be posting after each month of using.

bummed

[lwillisjr]

cbf,

I've had the same experience using the traction. I also have a little more foreskin now when flacid.

Les

[cowboyfood]

All VED users,

Anyone else suspect that VED use stretched their skin in a way that it looks like they have a little more "foreskin" than previously?

I believe I have noticed this phenomena.

I'm circumcised, but I believe my skin has been stretched some so that in a flaccid state it appears I have a little more foreskin than before.

I find this interesting because it may be a further indication that the VED does physically alter the penis, which is the intent.

CF

[Thin Man]

Hey Jackisback,

Can you tell us what you mean by negative results?

Like you my main concern is ED, and I'm wary of doing anything that would worsen that.

Thanks, Thin Man

[jackisback]

Hey Cowboyfood,

If you're getting good results, then I think that's a fine plan. I was mainly hoping to reach those considering a purchase, or who hadn't gotten good results. You said that you had some discomfort a few hours after pumping. Since you've also said that you've gotten good results from your pumping, I would assume this hasn't effected your erections. Personally, I have had a lot of discomfort after pumping no matter what, and it is part of why I got one with a gauge. Also, I do not use the smallest tube. I'm no posterchild for VED success, but for me, the smallest tube caused the most discomfort, seemed unsafe, and I noticed negative results from it (sometimes after very good positive results that lasted only a week or so).

It also occurs to me that the VED would be used very differently if one did not have ED. If you had a bend, but no ED, you wouldn't need to be nearly as conservative as I've tried to be, and you probably could use a very small tube and pump up a big straight erection with little real risk.  For me, I have a small bend, and regaining as close to the erectile function I used to have is my main goal.

[cowboyfood]

. . . What's a good brand of VED's to get.

Myself and several others use the following:

http://www.fitzz.com/Vitality-Plus-Three-Cylinder-Vacuum-Therapy-System--Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_503-1983.html

This is a medical quality VED.  I think it's easy to use.  Put "team" in the promo code for a discount, order it online, customer service is cordial.

Begin reading the child board's VED thread.

CF

[Sad]

Are VED's the same as "penis pumps"? What's a good brand of VED's to get. They sell penis pumps on e-bay and in men's magazines, and they seem affordable, but I'm not sure if they'll last long or if they're good enough VED's to get. Do I need to buy a more expensive one from a medical supply store or something. Also, I've heard people in the forum mention "traction." What exactly is that?

[cowboyfood]

Observation: When I use the VED's middle cylinder (my personal favorite), the number of cycles it takes me to get fully engorged varies.  I believe I read that others notice this also.  Also, I do a few "warm up" cycles that I do not count towards the protocol's 10 daily cycles.

Question:  When should I begin counting cycles towards my "10 daily cycles?"  I usually start counting after about 3 or so warm-ups, but my penis is not fully engorged at that point.  I'm wondering if I should start counting when my penis is mostly engorged.

This may not be a significant inquiry, but I'm always trying to be cautious with the VED usage. 

Oh, one other observation: I think my penis skin has been stretched...(note: I'm circumcised)...I notice that when I'm flaccid, it appears that what foreskin I have has been stretched and covers more of my penis' head.  Anyone else notice this???  Of course, I realize that the state of a flaccid penis changes depending on a variety of circumstance.

Hey guys,

I thought I would "bump" of the above inquiry I posted over the weekend.  Again, just wondering if anyone has any thoughts as to when I should start counting cycles. 

I notice that sometimes I can feel a little discomfort several hours after VED "session."  So, I'm trying to avoid overpumping, of course.

 CF

[cowboyfood]

. . . But I think this is a cheap way to discreetly test one out if you've been wondering if the VED is for you.

Joe,

I am in awe of your creativity and ingenuity. 

IMO, and I could be totally off base, this "test" is not comparable to a VED of medical quality.  True, it is significantly less expensive.

My experience is that it takes quite a bit of time and practice to get comfortable with VED usage.  I'm not so sure that usage with the "cheaper" version is comparing "apples to apples." 

But, others such as Angus and Tim for example, have made their own. 

Anyway, I'm hoping for the best for you.

CF

[cowboyfood]

. . . The angle I'm coming at this from, is that if you started using the VED as soon as deformity presented itself what position do you think you'd be in now?

Newguy, 

I completely understand your angle.  Of course, I have no idea where my deformity would be today without VED usage.

Here is what I've observed.  Since December, the indentation on the right side is slightly bigger, and a new indentation on the left side, slightly lower than the indentation on the right side, began presenting itself sometime in April.  So, it appears to me that the scar runs from right to left over the top. 

The indentation is more pronounced when I am partially erect.  When I am fully erect, it is not that noticeable.

My original upward bend has remained the same the entire time, about 20 degrees.  Length and girth have not changed since before the condition presented itself.

So, I'm about 7-8 months into this.  So, maybe the deformity could be worse had I done nothing, or just Vit E.  But, I've added the VED, pentox, viagra, L-arginine, ALC, and other supplements.  (oh, and I've eaten tulips every day, maybe that is a factor?  just kidding, I stole that line from Tim).

In my mind, I'm think no or a small amount of worsening is a victory. 

Also, I must admit I feel a little awkward about discussing it because it might get worse, but I feel I have a duty to report that, as far as I'm concerned, my condition is "so far so good".  I'd love a complete resolution, but I would also love stability.

CF

[joe]

First off let me say that I don't currently have a VED, but after reading about the success some guys have had here it is my next plan of attack on my peyronie's.  So I recently saw crookedmile's post about his homemade VED and how he uses his mouth to provide the suction.  I saw my gravel vaccum cleaner for my aquarium and it struck me how similar it is to his device.  Curiosity got the best of me so I tried it out and was pleasantly surprised.  I was also surprised that it only took about 3 puffs with the mouth to get fully erect. 

The vacuum I have was about $10 and looks like this one:
http://www.petstore.com/Lee%60s_Aquarium_Gravel_Vacuum_Cleaner_10_inch_Med_Self_Start_Aquarium_Siphons_Gravel_Cleaning-Lee%60s_Aquarium-LE11556-AQMASI-vi.html

The nozzle on the end comes off easily.  I measured the tube and it has a diameter of 1 1/2 inches and is about 8 1/2 inches long.  Perfect for the small tube.  I happened to be at the pet store yesterday and they do have a bigger vacuums - the next size up appeared to have a 2 inch diameter but was probably twice as long.  The plastic is not very strong, so I will probably get a real VED or make one from better material.  But I think this is a cheap way to discreetly test one out if you've been wondering if the VED is for you.

[newguy]

jackp - I think you're what this forum is all about really. You used the advice and experience of others to put yourself in a much better position, and now you are reaping the benefits following on from your successful implant. Thanks for sticking around .

[jackp]

newguy

My peyronies started in 1995. I started using a VED in 2006 but did it all wrong. After the failed implant 10/07 I found this forum and Old Man.

Thanks to the exercise Old Man gave me I regained 3/4" of lost length. It took about 3 months to see results but I followed the routine and did the exercise like I was supposed to do.

During my initial evaluation at Vanderbilt Dr. Milam told me to keep up the VED exercise but stop a couple of days before surgery. Because of an accident I was in the hospital for 10 days in July-August 08. After a couple of weeks off the exercise I thought all was lost. I started the exercise back and within a week regained my previous length.

I had my implant 10/08 and have had an excellent  result. The proper VED exercise the year before my implant was a major contributor to my outcome.

Thanks to this Forum, Old Man, Hawk and others that have given me valuable advice.

Jackp

[newguy]

cowboyfood - Would you say that since you started using the VED the deformity hasn't worsened at all? The angle I'm coming at this from, is that if you started using the VED as soon as deformity presented itself what position do you think you'd be in now? Many of those using the VED have a stable condition, and so I'm interested in how it could benefit poeple in a more active stage. Maybe those new to the forum could be losing out of making significant progress by waiting to use the VED. it's an unknown I suppose, but something of interest.

[cowboyfood]

First, Jackblack, thank you for your input.  I'm using the Vitality and I have been very satisfied with the product.  I wondered if the fact that the Vitality's lack of a gauge would be a significant issue.  But, after using the device, I'm not sure if a gauge is significant even though it might be relevant.  The feelings I have and the appearance of the penis while I'm using the VED is a very useful and sufficient "gauge" for me from what I can tell.

Update and a few questions/observations:

Special thanks to Old Man, Angus, and Jackieo for all of their encouragement, opinions and instructions towards my VED usage.

I'm about halfway through my initial 26-week protocol.  Prior to beginning the protocol, I spent at least a couple of weeks practicing with the VED.

Presentation of my deformity began last December, small indentation on the right side; since then a smaller dent has appeared on the left side.  Bend: noticable to me, a 20 -25 degree upward bend at the end of my penis. 

And, maybe my erections have been "straighter" compared to before presentation of my right side indentation.  I distinctly remember a leftward curve of my erect penis, not much, maybe 10 - 20 degrees.  I say this, because I believe the initial indentation made my erect penis straighter. 

Since I have never taken any measurements with regards to a bend, I'm going by memory.  But, I have a digital photography chronicle (at least weekly) of my erect penis (who would have ever thought of they'd have that kind of collection? I guess it's kinda nice to have in any event).

Length and girth have remained basically the same compared to pre-December measurements. 

It appears to me that "maybe" the right side indentation "may be" less pronounced in my erect penis than a few months ago.  But, it may not be...but, then again I subjectively think that it is somewhat less pronounced.

Observation: When I use the VED's middle cylinder (my personal favorite), the number of cycles it takes me to get fully engorged varies.  I believe I read that others notice this also.  Also, I do a few "warm up" cycles that I do not count towards the protocol's 10 daily cycles.

Question:  When should I begin counting cycles towards my "10 daily cycles?"  I usually start counting after about 3 or so warm-ups, but my penis is not fully engorged at that point.  I'm wondering if I should start counting when my penis is mostly engorged.

This may not be a significant inquiry, but I'm always trying to be cautious with the VED usage. 

Oh, one other observation: I think my penis skin has been stretched...(note: I'm circumcised)...I notice that when I'm flaccid, it appears that what foreskin I have has been stretched and covers more of my penis' head.  Anyone else notice this???  Of course, I realize that the state of a flaccid penis changes depending on a variety of circumstance.

Also, in addition to "throwing" the VED at my condition since late April, my arsenal against the condition includes:
Supplements: L-Arginine, ALC, Vit E (since April), Vit D3 and Vit K (since May).
Prescriptions: Pentox (since mid May), Viagra (since mid May)
Lifestyle: Running daily, eating healthy (I rarely drink alcohol)
Mental: this forum, being social, making myself available to women

Thanks for any comments.

CF

[Tim468]

Sad,

Les said it all very succinctly. One thing to do is to de-emphasize erections for a while in your sex life and get going with the VED. This assures that even if there is a problem with the workings of the penis or the mind, your penis will be gettnig stretched out nice and firmly every day. The blood flow or the stretching helps a lot, and many of us report improved erections after using the VED for a while.

Other conditions like diabetes can affect erectile quality (and are associated with the onset of Peyronie's as well) so a good evaluation of your general health is in order too.

Finally, if nothing more pressing is going on like diabetes, then sometimes cialis or viagra can help too. Beins ure that your penis CAN get firm often allows the psychological component to fade away, and then the need for meds fades too.

Tim

[lwillisjr]

It effects each of us differently. It depends on the size and location of your scaring. Some of us have Peyronies but still achieve firm and hard erections. Others, however are affected in a way that blood flow can be restricted.

There is also a very strong psychological component. Something says "my erection isn't right" and this cn impact our thinking and ability to get erections as well.

Les

[Sad]

Since I've had Peyronies, I'm no longer able to get a hard erection. They're soft, only semi-erections. Does the bend caused by the disease make it impossible to get a full erection?

[jackisback]

I've spent a lot of time researching on the internet about various things (not the least of which Peyronie's), but have had little to offer back.  So, I have been inspired to write a review and give my opinions about the VEDs which I have used since I have used 3 different brands. I hope that it will help somebody. The pumps I have used are: A) Vitality; B) Boston; and C) LA Pump. Since this is a long review, I’ll say right now that I recommend using cylinders from Boston or LA Pump. I recommend using the pump that LA Pump provides, but don’t buy from them, because Harbor Freight sells it for $20. Don’t worry that it’s cheap. More expensive is not always better.

First, I believe one of the most important aspects of pumping is to have a gauge, and I want to stress this. This will let you know what pressure you are using, and this can be an invaluable resource. There is a forum called ThundersPlace dedicated to penis enlargement, and regardless of what you think of the plausibility of that, I think their words of caution are undeniably a good warning. In other words: if they wouldn't do something with their (probably healthy, ED free) penises, then you definitely shouldn't subject your Peyronies Disease afflicted penis to it. Most things I have read have said that you should keep your pump below 3 Hg for the first few weeks or months, and rarely ever go above 5 Hg ever (remember these are the limits for guys who don't even have the penis diseases we do, so the lower the better). The past few weeks, I have been using a traction device, and using my old gaugeless pump (because I didn’t have another cylinder in that size that connects to a normal pump). The quality of my erections have decreased (bad sign there), but also, last night when I used a gauged pump I approached 4.5 Hg before feeling any discomfort. Combined with worse ED, I could recognize this as a very bad sign since usually I am much harder and in discomfort long before I pump up to 5 Hg (for me something around 2 Hg). The gauge let me know that I need to take a rest period for a few weeks that I would not have been able to recognize fully since I had no pain if I had just been going by what my penis "felt like". My penis was getting too much pressure, even though I couldn’t feel it.

So, the first VED I bought was Vitality’s Peyronie’s Therapy http://www.fitzz.com/Vitality-Plus-Three-Cylinder-Vacuum-Therapy-System--Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html Don’t get me wrong, I got some good pumps from it. But, I also had some issues. For one: it doesn’t have a gauge. Two: it’s designed to use these rubber parts (a tiny ring on the pump which lines up with the base of the cylinder, and a black rubber attachment to go on the end of the cylinder that presses against your body. These pieces are definitely necessary for a good air seal on the Vitality pump, but in my opinion, other pumps do not lack anything by not having these items. For me, these items serve as an annoyance because I must carefully and liberally lube up (to prevent air leak) an extra part on all sides (the large rubber bit) instead of just rubbing the inside and end of the cylinder, and going in. Also, I believed I had a nick in the tiny rubber ring once, and ordered a replacement once (I don’t remember if that was really the problem, but why have extra pieces that can go bad and require you to order additional parts?). One of the main benefits of Vitality is that all the tubes fit into each other so it takes up less space. I personally believe that is a slight benefit to come at the cost of too many other things. Also, don’t neglect, that if you buy a Vitality pump, those cylinders are not compatible with other pumps. So, if one day you decide you want a gauge, you will have to buy new cylinders. If you want to buy a different sized cylinder from Vitality, I assume you can do so. Funny enough, I just looked at the normal VED provided by Vitality, and they recommend a 2” tube as “Perfect for 99% of Men”, yet their Peyronie’s package includes only a 1.5” a 1.75” and a 2.25”.

The second pump I used was Boston Pumps. The first problem I had was that the pump didn’t seem very good. The gauge was not calibrated, and I don’t know if I can calibrate it. I also didn’t really like the way the pump felt for reasons I can’t fully remember or explain. It’s almost unfair to review them, because I bought a “Sleevemaster” tube http://www.bostonpump.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=13 I have ED, but my worse problem is getting the end of my penis erect, meaning even at full erection (rare), my glans (head) usually still looks small and soft. I hoped the Sleevemaster would constrict my base, and force blood to the head, and be better for me, but it simply didn’t work that way (FOR ME!). For many other people here, it may be a great tube, but it didn’t work for me. Also, the sleevemaster cylinder itself expands out at the end, so removing the Sleevemaster insert isn’t a great solution. However, from looking at their normal tubes, they may be even better than the ones I use now. Remember, all these tubes can be used with any other typical coupler based pump, not just with Boston’s pump.

Currently I use LA Pump. I thought the cylinders looked funny at first, but I haven’t noticed any difficulty keeping my air tight seal while using them, and also the pump I believe is the best one that I’ve used. I bought the pump for full price, then I saw this recommendation by this guy: http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=69203 claiming that the pump here: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92474 is exactly the same. So, if I were starting out today, I would buy the pump from Harbor Freight and buy some tubes from LA or Boston. Also, the LA Pump package includes an “instructional video” which was pretty much worthless.

Buying a standard pump also has other benefits. For instance, many people think pumping with water can be safer than pumping with air. You cannot do this with the Vitality pump safely because water would ruin the pump. However, with a standard pump you can attach something like the "In-line Water Trap" shown here https://www.pumptoys.com/prod/stoframe.php to safely pump with water. I personally have never used this device or used a water pump.

Hope this helps someone in making a more educated decision.

[Tim468]

It actully takes very little lung power to create enough suction. In fact all the suction comes from pressure generated by the mouth and barely involves the lungs at all. There is no funky taste and the whole thing cleans up quite easily with a long bristle brush.

When you say there is no funky taste, I assume that... oh, never mind.  I'll stick to a hand pump. I would also add that I *think* that I generate much higher pressures by a pump than I could by mouth. Sort of about the same as pumping up a bicycle tire would take a pump too.

Tim

[crookedmile]

It actully takes very little lung power to create enough suction. In fact all the suction comes from pressure generated by the mouth and barely involves the lungs at all. There is no funky taste and the whole thing cleans up quite easily with a long bristle brush.

[Mick]

My first thought was that this looked pretty exhausting (ever if one doesn't have emphysema as I do), but if Tim, who is a lung doctor, endorses it I guess I'm wrong.

Mick

[Tim468]

Looks great. With that curve, you might want to twist it to face the other way!

Tim

[crookedmile]

Here's one I put together with stuff I had on hand plus about $4 for 1.5" i.d. tube and PVC cap. The longer small diameter black tube allows suction from the mouth which provides plenty of vacuum and is easy to regulate as regards discomfort. To maintain vacuum you keep your tongue on the end of the black tube and "sip" a bit if necessary. The receiving end is a piece of packing styrofoam folded over the edge and taped down first with clear packaging tape and then over that with black electrical tape. No glue was used except a bit of epoxy to join the nipple to the hole I drilled in the cap. The cap is a fairly tight fit and the tape seals it. I filed both ends of the big tube smooth and rounded the receiving end edges before applying the styrofoam and tape.

[bassman]

Will do - thanks for the responce !

[Old Man]

Bassman:

If the red marks have not changed in the two week period of time, I would recommend seeing your uro or family physician. It may be something other than the overpumping of the vacuum. You have to be very careful with vacuum pressure as the penis is very sensitive to that as you found out. Also, you might be allergic to the lubricant or something related to it.

So,to be on the safe side you should get it checked out professionally.

Old Man

[bassman]

Gentlemen,

I have a question for anyone willing to help ? I posted two weeks ago of possibly over pumping the VED and causing bright red marks on the shaft and under the head of mt penis. I was advised by OLD MAN to stop for a couple of weeks, let the injury heal and start back up the VED process with LOW pressure - DULY NOTED !

It's been two weeks with NO VED and just a couple of erections but the red marks have not charged and some times slightly etch. Could this be something other than pressure damage from the VED like a fungus or a different symptom of peyronies. I want to get back to VEDing but don't want to cause further trauma ?

BASSMAN

P.S., Thanks again JACKP for your kind words over the phone !!!!!!!!!!

[Woodman]

Hello Everyone

I have a problem with using the VED. I have used it off and on for a year now. I have a ventricle plaque on the under side of my congenital curve that points down. When I use the VED it stretches my curve straight pulling on the plaque. It irritates the plaque making it hurt for like 2 to 5 days later. I stop using it for a while and try again before long it happens again to one degree or another. I have tryed all different pressures moderate to light and even have the problem with light pressure. Light pressure being three to five pumps on the VED.

I really want to use it because I believe when I could get it to work for a while without any big problems it seemed to help with the problem of tightness and erection quality etc. I tryed to ask my Uro and believe it or not even though they prescribe it for Peyronies along with injections they really do not know how to properly use it. I asked and he said just pump it up to it just begans to hurt. We all know thats not correct.

I was wondering if anyone has had an experience like this with the VED and if they might know or suggest a solution to it.

Thanks Everyone

Woodman

[voulezvous]

There's another huge reason why the use of a VED regimen is a wise course to follow. The longer plaque remains, the more likely it will become fibrotic & lose the elastin that is in the "normal tunica tissue. The only way to avoid this - its where the "shrinkage" comes from - is by use of the VED or regular strong erections. Certainly it is great to see results in curvature & even length but remember that we are all dealing with organic changes that have occurred inside a part of our bodies. Our enemy is scar tissue.
Even if you do not see significant alteration in curvature or length, the day may come when you decide that some form of surgery is the only way to go. If you look back at the surgery thread you will see postings by JackP & others (who have had surgery) that they either wish they had used the VED or are thankful that they did. You could say that it is a proactive step to avoid becoming worse off even if you don't become "better".

[newguy]

bummedout- It was stated to me once that some of those being helped with treatment do not actually post here and so we don't hear their positive reports of progress. If someone experiences significant improvements they are as likely to swan off and never come back, rather than detail their progress. That's why I'm thankful of those people here who are basically stable and function (via surgery, VED etc) and do continue to post.

There are a number of bits and pieces around here though if you dig, from people gaining back significant lost length with the VED and improving curvature. It appears to be a treatment which can aid those recently diagnosed (as long as it doesn't worsen pain) and men with a stable conditon, so used correctly it's a good option for all. I posted a study a while back relating to how VED use reduces instances of erectile disfunction and curvature in those receiving penile surgery. This scenario does not mirror peyronies exactly, but it does suggest that it may well be something that can be of benefit to you.

[double eagle]

Double Eagle,

You mentioned in your last post that you had a "humongous" reduction in your curvature.  I could not find the post where you stated the change but di read one reply that mentioned going from a 90 degree curvature to 10 degrees in 6 weeks.  Is that accurate?

Fred

Sorry for the delay, Fred, life happened. 

During the early stages of my VED use I experienced a humongous curvature change, to which I attributed the VED usage. Unfortunately that was a false proclamation, as not long after curvature changed, I found a new plaque formation that had formed on the other side. WALLA! Loss of curve. Unfortunately, I lost some length in the process.

Since that first misguided proclamation of miraculous shift, nothing else has changed, besides a little more girth and length in the flaccid stage.

[bummedout]

So I'm about to regiment myself for the next 6 months into using a 3 cylinder VED.  As I begin this regiment, I just wanted to get an idea of what I can realistically expect.  I have plaques and indentations in a few areas of my penis.  In these areas I'm also missing rigidity.  If I understand correctly, what the VED is suppose to do is stretch out the plaques (not get rid of them) so that my penis looks normal during an erection.  I should also get my rigidity back and be free from pain during an erection.  Now, after the 6 months if this does happen, after I stop using the VED will things eventually go back to the way they were with respect to the plaques and indentation that I had before I started the 6 month regiment?  I apologize if this question is redundant.

Also, I know a couple of you have had success with this technique.  Are there any others out there who would like to share a success story?

Finally, I just wanted to thank those on here who have helped me out, especially Old Man who has been very patient.  Thanks.

Bummed

[Angus]

RichB... if you work one of these valves into your VED let us know how it works out and how you got it installed. I never thought of aquarium stuff being a source of decent, low priced equipment. Good idea!

[RichB]

If anyone is trying to make their own VED, Wal-Mart sells very cheap check valves in the aquarium section. Probably about 2 dollars tops. They aren't industrial quality, but I would consider that a plus due to it being gentle. Perfect for sealing a good -5 mm Hg.

[bassman]

Hawk, Jackp & Old Man,

Thank you for your quick responces to my questions and concerns. Old Man sent me a PM and advised me to give myself a brake on the VED until the red marks heal hopefully no longer than two weeks and than to start back at about the 20 week spot and be VERY careful with the pressure - duly noted.

Jackp, I received you PM's and will be calling you to discuss my questions relative to the implant.

I am so fortunate to have caring people like yourselves and others on this forum - GOD bless all of you !

Bassman

[Old Man]

NOTE TO ALL NEW MEMBERS:

Based on the number of posts being made and private messages I receive about how to use a VED, it is obvious that the protocol topic in the Child Boards section of the main forum is not being read and/or followed.

There are two protocols listed there: One is for the three cylinder purchased medical quality VEDs and the other is for those members who have made their own VEDs by using three individual cylinder type VEDs.

Each protocol goes into detail as to how the VEDs are assembled and used. Each protocol goes into detail about the safe way to use a VED. It is absolutely necessary to follow those protocols to the letter to obtain any results. If not followed exactly, trauma or injury can and will result. Again, OVERPUMPING THE VACUUM PRESSURE can only lead to problems as has been stated by several private messages I have gotten and some posts on the main forum.

NOTE:
The "home made" VEDs are just as good as the purchased units for Peyronies Disease. Each individual who made them will know how to assemble and use them, but must follow the protocol as listed in the Child Boards topic.

PLEASE GUYS, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS before embarking on any therapy sessions with your VEDs.

Respectfully, Old Man

[Hawk]

The red dots are blood drawn through capillary wall to the surface of the penis.  I do not think the penis cannot adapt to that degree of pressure with that blood chemistry.  Either your blood is thinned with vitamin E, Ginko, aspirin, Garlic, or other one of the other many blood thinners, OR your vacuum pressure is just too high.