VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[despise]

despise:

Tim468, Angus and several others on the forum have made their own VEDs. Hopefully, they will see your post and give your some information on how they built theirs and how you can make you one as well as where they bought their supplies.

There are several posts somewhere in the main forum boards that list how they made theirs, but at the moment, I cannot find them. You might do a search and see if you can find those.

Old Man

Ok well I read the post that Angus made about how he made his and to be honest it was to confusing for me. So it just might be easier if I buy my own. I thought what I copied and paste was a cheap way of buying the parts separate and combining them.

[ashen311]

Once again thank you Old Man.  They have emailed me back stating that the missing cylinder is on its way out.

Thanks so much!

[Old Man]

ashen311;

Just read your post about the improper shipment from Fitzz of your VED. I called the Fitzz company and talked with their general manager. He stated they had gotten your request about the missing cylinder. He checked your order, found the cylinder was missing and the shipment of the correct one was handled and shipped to you today, 10/22/09.

He apologized for the problem and said he would check his shipping department to determine why shipment are going out wrong. They have some new personnel in the shipping department and probably did not check the order thorough enough.

Anyway, you should have the correct cylinder soon. BTW, the package normally comes with three cylinders as stated on the web site - A is the smallest, B is the medium and C is the largest. The Fitzz company builds the Vitality three cylinder model VED package from a standard erectile dysfunction package by adding the other cylinders and retainer rings, etc. What happend in your case was that the B medium cylinder got left out of the package by accident.

Let me know if you do not get the correct cylinders soon.

Old Man

[ashen311]

So yesterday I received my Vitality Plus.  It only came with 2 cylinders though despite it saying there should be 3.  I have contacted Fitz but have not heard anything back yet.

My packing slip only listed the following 2 cylinders:

Style A Cylinder for Vitality Vacuum Therapy Systems (1 1/2" Diameter)
Style B Cylinder for Vitality Vacuum Therapy Systems (1 3/4" Diameter)

For those that ordered the Vitality Plus did you receive 2 or 3 cylinders?

I wanted to start using it but now it seems like things may be put on hold.

[Old Man]

despise:

Tim468, Angus and several others on the forum have made their own VEDs. Hopefully, they will see your post and give your some information on how they built theirs and how you can make you one as well as where they bought their supplies.

There are several posts somewhere in the main forum boards that list how they made theirs, but at the moment, I cannot find them. You might do a search and see if you can find those.

Old Man

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

Read your post about the Birmingham study of the three cylinder model VEDs. I have tried many times to contact that group to get a copy of their results of the study.

To date, have received no answer from them. BTW, Chris Spivey is a lady who is charge of the study as far as I know. Have tried to contact her personally, but no luck there either. There was a web site connected with the study originally, but I don't think it is still up and running either.
So, as far as I know, there seems to be no way to get any results from a three cylinder study for the three cylinder VEDs. We are just using the protocol that was developed by the Augusta Medical Systems for the old Somacorrect VED that was taken off the market due to some quirk of regulations by the FDA here in the USA.

The Soma STF VED was placed on the market as a result of that problem. In addition, they also started marketing the Vitality model VEDs which are basically the same as the Somacorrect which was supposed to be marketed for Peyronies Disease therapy. So go figure = who knows. The 26 week protocol is the only therapy that seems to work best for a lot of guys on and off the forum. I know that is has helped many of my friends who have used it.


Old Man

[despise]

I am interested in using a VED but It's hard for me to understand how to make one.

Here is a fairly priced ($72 plus shipping) and high-quality penis pump cylinder (many sizes, but not graduated like SomaCorrect). Note that they also sell the connecting couplers for the tubing:

http://www.stockroom.com/pumps.htm

Here is their FAQ about pumping (fairly well written; semi-accurate):

http://www.stockroom.com/suction-faq.htm#09

Here is a link to a typical handpump via the internet (less than half the price of most sex-toy vendors):

http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Vacuum-Pump-with-Pressure-Gauge-P6489C692.aspx

The total expenditures can come to about $120. Not bad to get going with something that can be controlled and moderated carefully (using the guage on the pump).>>>>


Could I buy the cylinder from stockroom and the pump from secure.sciencompany? Would I also need - "This male coupler can be pushed in to attach the pump hose to the cylinder. Compatible with most major brands of cylinders." That they advertise on the stockroom site to connect the pump to the cylinder? And would that be it?

[skunkworks]

At the moment we are using a protocol based on nothing but anecdotal evidence. If that is all we have, then that is fine. I am doing exactly what is recommended on this thread and others, following it to the letter in fact. But I am still going to try and find out more information, and hopefully proof about what is the best way to use a VED.

I am hoping to get some information from another source about the 3 cylinder study that may or may not have been completed, which should shed more light on the matter.

In my mind it comes down to who might have the most useful information. If the 3 cylinder study was completed, then Chris Spivy would most likely have the most useful information. If it was not, the Dr Levine would most likely have the most useful information due to his very large patient base, which in itself would be something of a never ending study of treatment effectiveness.

Yes you are right I did assume that the site was connected to Chris Spivey which looks to be a mistake. Can't find any email address for the Birmingham Urological Society, have a telephone number and address if someone in the US would care to give them a call about the 3 cylinder study:

Birmingham Urological Associates
1915 E 14 Mile Rd
Birmingham, MI 48009
(248) 642-4474

[cowboyfood]

skunkworks,

After looking at page you linked, I do not believe the site is attributing the "New Protocol" remarks to Chris Spivey.  Although at first glance, one could easily make that assumption.

I've seen some of the remarks which are located on that page, before and after the "new protocol" section, attributed to Spivey.  I'm willing to bet that the web page's author inserted the "new protocol" section, and is NOT attributing the remarks to Spivey.

Do some more "digging" on this site.  I think the "whys" of the 3-cylinder approach with a protocol similar to Spivey's protocol is well-documented on our forum.  The Levine suggestion is fairly "stale."

CF

[skunkworks]

Ok I have done some digging, and this is what I have found. The people who created the current 3 cylinder protocol, were about to change it due to recommendations from Dr Levine before that website went down. They were the ones running the trial for the 3 cylinder VED.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080513141658/www.vacuumtherapy.org/extras.html

NEW PROTOCOL!
We will shortly be posting a new treatment protocol from leading Peyronie's researcher Dr. Laurence A. Levine. It takes a different approach to cylinder usage from the Spivey protocol and will be mentioned in several sessions of the upcoming AUA conference in Atlanta, May 20th. The protocol data is being assembled and details will e posted here as soon as they are available.

I think this is very important information, especially since the member on this forum who has had the best result from the VED, was using a single cylinder VED during the first part of his treatment.

I think we really need to find some way of getting in touch with Dr Levine to find out what the new treatment protocol was going to be.

[cowboyfood]

Also what do you guys think of this?

I believe this particular advice has been discussed at length by many.  IMO, the forum's consensus is to use the 3-cylinder protocol listed in the forum's VED section. 

In fact, it might be a unanimous consensus.

CF

[skunkworks]

Also what do you guys think of this?

http://www.peyroniesassociation.org/x.php?p=Ask_the_Doctor,Archived_Answers#QCG

The 3-cylinder (SOMA) vacuum device has been recommended as a non-surgical treatment for Peyronie's disease.  My personal approach has been to start with the largest cylinder so as to accommodate the curvature when it first presents.  As the curvature and deformity responds to the pressures created by the vacuum tube, one should progressively go to the middle and then the smallest of the caliber cylinders.  I typically recommend that this progression occur after at least one month of use of each cylinder, which should be applied for 20-30 minutes at least once, but possibly better 2-3 times per day.   There is no need to apply the constriction band.  I recommend that the pressure be maintained throughout the 20-30 minute treatment period rather than using a repetitive inflate/deflate process.  It seems to me the effects of traction are best transmitted with prolonged application rather than with intermittent application.  So far there are no published reports showing benefit with traction therapy, but hopefully a formal trial will be conducted in the near future which will provide better insight as to whether vacuum therapy really works to correct Peyronies Disease deformity.

The key is that the device needs to be applied daily for no longer than 30 minutes per treatment, but these treatments can be done 2-3 times per day if the time is available to do so.

[skunkworks]

I was searching around for an answer to this question, and found this post by Pete

My uro had proposed VED-therapy. He said to me not to worry about it, it was a bit scar tissue because of masturbation friction orso, and that my age (28), the scar would be able to stretch just fine. And at that point things seemed to worsen. After i have used the VED, i cannot have an erection for a day orso, because it takes away 'all feeling', there is 'total numbness' after using it. I can also induce only a minor erection with it before it's starting to hurt. I have never pushed beyond the pain limits, but nonetheless i have seemed to have caused some permanent damage. The erection became back after rusing the VED, but is weaker than before. Do some guys recognize this? Should i keep using the VED despite of the numbness and lack of spontaneous erection after using it? Could VED induce nerve damage?

I have the same issue. The VED took away the good morning erections that Low Dose Naltrexone had brought on, but in my case the numb feeling is only slight. I can still manually get an erection, which does not subside.

[skunkworks]

Those sound like the potential side effects of full dose naltrexone, from what I remember. Low dose naltrexone is quite different, pretty much every male who is on it has commented on the intense morning erections it gives.

[jackp]

skunkworks

I was curious about the side effects of naltesone so I googled it.

This is just part of what I found.

Loss of appetite, diarrhea, constipation, increased thirst, increased energy, feeling down, irritability, dizziness, skin rash, delayed ejaculation, decreased potency, and chills.

Be careful this can be mean stuff.

As for the VED just continue the protocol it takes time for it to work.

Jackp

[skunkworks]

hmm, naltrexone had started giving me great morning and nocturnal erections.

Have used VED for three days now, erections have stopped. I thought I was being quite conservative about hte pressure, does this sound like something that could be caused by using too much pressure?

[Old Man]

SimonBart:

Yes, your penis will usually deflate after pumping in the exercise cycles. (Just be sure to hold the VED cylinder mouth firmly against your body to keep a good tight seal.) The real younger guys do get an erection while using the VED and their penis will not deflate after the exercises. This also might indicate that you have a venous leakage problem.

You should try to get a natural erection and hold it up long enough to determine if it deflates quickly or if you can perform, etc. Most guys in their middle life begin to get venous leakage based on how sexually active they have been during their earlier lives. Mine started at about age 55 and continued on until today. After a radical prostatectomy, the VED proved to be the weapon of choice for erections for me. It works great with no side effects as caused by the ED pills in a lot of cases.

So, be sure to check out the venous leakage thing to determine if you do have the problem. Otherwise, don't worry about your penis deflating after the VED therapy exercises, as this is normal for most guys.

Hope this helps, regards, Old Man

[SimonBart]

I've been using my new VED for just over 2 weeks now. First week was to get a feel for how it all worked. Second week started the 26 week program. Part way through week 3 now.

Quick question:
When I release the pressure after each cycle, my erection almost immediately goes down. Is this normal?
I am approaching this as an exercise.....so I'm not thinking about sex.....so I'm not naturally aroused at all.
When I remove the device....I have a large flaccid penis.....but definitely not hard.

Other then that....everything seems to be going fine. I am hoping that I will start to see improvements after a couple of months.

[skunkworks]

If you do order from fitzz, email this guy mark@fitzz.com.au as soon as you have ordered. There was a two week delay on my order being shipped, it was only shipped after I emailed him direct. No apology either.

[ashen311]

Thanks again, and also for all you contribute to this community.  It's greatly appreciated.

[Old Man]

ashen311:

The source you listed in your post below is for a one cylinder VED. You want to get the three cylinder model Vitality OTC. It is available from this source:   www.fitzz.com

Open the home page for this source, locate the shop by manufacture space in the upper right hand corner, locate the Augusta Medical Systems from the drop down window and click on that name. Look for the Vitality three cylinder model when their page comes up, etc. Mention the word TEAM in your on line or phone order and you will get a discount from the company. You want this model: Vitality OTC three cylinder model which works for both ED and Peyronies Disease symptoms. It only costs a few bucks more, but has all the items you will need for your therapy protocol.

Since you are going for the three cylinder model, you will want to follow the 26 week protocol for three cylinder VEDs listed in the VED section of the boards.

Have any questions, let us know.

Old Man

[ashen311]

Thanks for the response's Old Man and cowboyfood.  I think I will go with ordering the Vitality, especially since I won't have to jump through hoops to get a prescription for it.

Where is the best place to order the Vitality ved from?  So far I have found www.vedsystems.com

[cowboyfood]

Soma Erect STF?  Vitality?  Something else?

I have an indentation and use the Vitality VED.  And, I'm very pleased with it.  It's easy to use and seems to be a high quality device.  I know that another member, JackieO, began using the Vitality the same time as me and I believe he is very satisfied with it.

CF

[jackp]

Old Man /jimifan

It is the single cylinder post at the bottom of the VED board.

I will copy it and send it to you in a PM.

Any questions, just ask glad to help.

Jackp

[Old Man]

jimifan:
A single cylinder model VED can and will work just as good for ED and Peyronies Disease symptoms as a three cylinder model. You just have to adapt a protocol that can be used with only the one cylinder. JackP has posted a protocol for using a single cylinder VED elsewhere on the forum. It is one that I developed for him when he was having serious problems with using the VED.

He saved it for future use and has now posted it on the forum. Hopefully, he will read this post and post the link where he added it to the VED subject. If not, look for it under the area where the VEDs and other related topics are shown on the home page of the forum.

It worked successfully for me in my early Peyronies Disease days before the 3 cylinder model VEDs hit the market. He was successful in using the one cylinder model to help with his problems.

Old Man

Edit: See the later post from JackP stating to look at an earlier post of his.

[Old Man]

ashen311:

The main difference between the Soma STF and the Vitality OTC unit is the meaning of OTC. OTC, of course means over the counter and does not require an RX to get one. The Soma STF has to prescribed by a doctor to be purchased. Both are basically the same unit except for maybe some differences in the warranties of each.

The Vitality OTC three cylinder model is of a good durable medical quality and works equally as well as the Soma STF. Size is an acronym that simply means sized to fit hence the three cylinders. The Vitality model is designed more for a utility model VED that works well for both erectile dysfunction and for peyronies disease symptoms.

Hope this helps you better understand the differences between the two VEDs. The Vitality is the weapon of choice of a goodly number of guys on the forum. Look for their posts in the various topics that discuss the use of VEDs especially those containing the procotol for using the VED.

Old Man

[jimifan]

Well Guys, I ordered a single cylinder VED through my urologist this week.  After completing 3 months of topical virapamil with no real improvement, I decided that was enough of that.  I also discussed and was shown a traction device.  I think I'll try the VED initially, as I am hoping it improves the quality of blood flow and healing potential, as well as improves loss of size.  I just don't see how I could wear the traction device for the recommended time.  I hope this VED helps!!!

[ashen311]

So if I have Peyronies Disease, large plaque buildup which causes an indentation, but no ED (I can achieve erections just fine) which VED is recommended?

Soma Erect STF?  Vitality?  Something else?

Also what is the reason behind the $400 price tag between the STF and Vitality?

[Angus]

The instructions refer to the fit of an erect penis. The small cylinder will be tight as it's supposed to be. The sides are confining so elongation can happen when vacuum is applied. Be liberal with whatever lube you're using... on yourself as well as all around the inside of the small tube. A bottle brush makes it easy to completely coat the inside of the small tube. Things work a lot better on the small tube with LOTS of lubricant. Go easy on pumping the first couple of times.

[skunkworks]

Well here we go, my VED has arrived. I'll be having a close read through the protocol and instructions, then a few test runs, then onto the 3 cylinder medical ved protocol. Hope this works out.

Ok question time

The penis should have a firm, almost tight fit in the small cylinder with the penis actually touching the sides of the cylinder. The medium cylinder may have air space between the penis and the cylinder, and the penis should not be confined by the sides of the cylinder at all inside the large cylinder, depending on your size. NOTE: Each daily routine consists of doing these three steps for 10 consecutive cycles. This is the recommended schedule, but it can be modified as shown in the special note below:

Does this mean your erect or your flaccid penis? I think I may have to skip the smallest cylinder as it is a tight squeeze when flaccid to fit into the smallest one...

Maybe there needs to be a separate thread on VED proper usage.

[getting_there_in_oregon]

that's just it though... it's not uncomfortable or painful at all. in fact the pressure feels good. not good in a sexual way, just... like something is happening. that's where the confusion comes in. i mean, other than the redness it doesn't seem to be a problem and the therapy is working from what i can figure. i don't want to rush it at all, but i don't want to do in 4 years what i could have gotten from 2 either. so yeah. it's hard to tell...

i'm wondering what others have found as well... how much redness is too much? hahaha.

i'll try to ease off and see how that goes. i'll try to find a good zone. thanks again old man!

[Old Man]

getting_there:

Obviously, you have not completely read the 26 protocol for using the VED in Peyronies Disease therapy. There are several statements there and all over the forum about using too much pressure while using the VED for any therapy including ED and especially Peyronies Disease. Overpumping can and will cause the condition you are describing. As most men tend to "bruise" easily" as get they older, you should recognize the fact that you must be very careful with the vacuum pressure. Some report using a gauge to measure the amount of pressure they use. This is not necessary as your body is the best judge of how much vacuum to use.

VED therapy must be approached with extreme caution with regard to the amount of vacuum pressure used. The best rule of thumb on the amount of pressure to use is this: -- If you feel any discomfort or pain, release the presssure and do not, repeat do not, pump to that level afterwards. Trial and error is the best guide to how much vacuum you should apply. VED therapy is a case where less is better than more. More and higher pressures will definitely work against your therapy if applied.

Will be glad to help in any way, so feel free to ask any and all questions with regard to the VED therapy. Hope you have better luck when you resume using less pressure.

Old Man

[getting_there_in_oregon]

When i pump with the larger cylinder i get red specks (tiny broken capillaries) or the whole area will be made red with it. it's in the hourglass area that was effected in the original injury. it's does not hurt and it's not extreme but it's somewhat consistent. it's not deep on the inside, it's just the loose skin slightly 'bruising'. it happens a little on the medium sized cylinder and a reasonable bit on the large one. not much at all on the small one. it's just the skin and it doesn't make pain.

when pumping i like to push the edge. if i don't, it doesn't feel like anything is really happening. it feels a just little swollen after, and sometimes it's a pretty dang swollen with a little bit of red dots or quite a few red dots. you know... like a mist of them on the skin surface.
the redness seems to be there most of the time with the big cylinder. admittedly i bruise really easily in general. if i bump my arm or leg even a little on something... usually a bruise!

is this going to far? i don't do it until hurts. i don't pump until it looks like it's going to explode!
is the goal to get it really full and tight? or should is still seem soft when pumped as far as you go?
WHAT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S EXPERIENCE WITH THIS?
where's the line, how much is too much?!?

[Old Man]

SimonBart:

Skunkworks is 100% right! You must use plenty of lubricant when doing the VED for therapy or for practice etc. Try this - assemble the VED as usual, apply a good portion of lubricant up into the A cylinder as far as you can reach (some guys report using a bottle brush to do this), lubricate your shaft well and as you insert your penis into the cylinder apply a liberal amount on your head portion and this will greatly assist you in getting the head and shaft to go further out into the cylinder. Practice this until it becomes comfortable for you before resuming any sessions with the 26 week schedule. It takes time and patience o realize the full benefits from using the VED therapy.

A tip that worked well for me and others is this  - as you insert the head portion into the opening of the cylinder, jockey the cylinder around a bit on the head and apply a small amount of vacuum to help pull the penis on out into the cylinder. Sometimes, as I am inserting my penis into the cylinder, I push the release valve momentarily and push the cylinder down on the shaft. Of course, the entire procedure should be done before trying to get an erection or else you cannot insert the penis into the small A cylinder.

Please feel free to ask any and all questions you might have. VED therapy is not intended to cause pain or discomfort to anyone at any time. If this occurs, you are doing something wrong, so ask questions.

Old Man

[skunkworks]

maybe you need to apply lubricant to the head and shaft of your penis so it slides down the tube easier?

[SimonBart]

Old Man...thanks for your reply.

Yes...I am using the 3 cylinder model...and the A & B are inserted inside the C.

When using either the A or the B cylinder, my gland gets fully engorged and the shaft a lot less. The pressure on my gland feels uncomfortable and I feel I need to stop increasing the pressure. When using the A cylinder my gland completely jams in the cylinder and I feel that there is no way the penis can increase in length even if I did increase the pressure due to it being stuck.

Using either of these A or B cylinders fails to get a full erection in the shaft without getting uncomfortable due to the suction. Is it possible that I'm just too sensitive ..or do I need to just take more time to get accustomed to using this new piece of equipment?

[skunkworks]

I have to say I am pretty unimpressed with Fitzz customer service at the moment.

Paid around 12 days ago, and tracking then and now states 'Pending_Tracking_Update', which to me suggests that it has not even left their warehouse yet.

Nor have they answered any of the three emails I sent requesting an update on what is going on.

It is difficult for me to call them due to the time difference between Miami and Sydney,Australia.

[Old Man]

SimonBart:

Based on your last statement in your post, it appears that you are using the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED. If that is the case, the A and B cylinders must be nested inside the C cylinder to be able to use the VED. If that is the case, your erection will not be as large as a natural one since the penis will be confined in the small A tube. There is no way that it can expand in the cylinder as a natural erection due to the small size. How are you able to determine if your erection is not as firm as a natural erection? Do you still remain erect after removing the cylinder from your penis?

You should look up the 26 week protocol in the VED forum board and follow the notes at the bottom of the page. You are right to practice with the VED before embarking on the schedule, etc. You must not, repeat, must not overpump the pressure when using the VED. The best rule of thumb about the correct amount of pressure is how your penis feels when applying the vacuum. If you experience and pain or discomfort you are overpumping the pressure and must use the release button immediately. Another thing, never, ever use a retainer ring on your penis while using a VED as this will surely cause further damage which you do not need nor want, so be careful not to use one

I have no idea why there is not a user manual or video supplied with the VEDs. This has been a problem for quite some time now and it would seem like that these would be supplied.

Keep up the good work and advise if you have any further questions about VED usage. You can use a private message if you have any special requests that you need to keep private.

Old Man

[SimonBart]

I just got my VED yesterday and am experimenting with it's usage. I'm a little scared on how much to pump up the pressure. I haven't pumped it enough to get a fully hard erection as it feels kind of weird with all that suction.

It's looks and feels like it's getting full girth...but nowhere near the length of a normal erection and nowhere near as hard. Do I just need to keep increasing the pressure?

I'm just trying out the A and B tubes to get a feel of how this all works. In about a week I will start the 26 week program after I feel comfortable with everything....but I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

[jackp]

Exile999

My urologist office made an appointment for the VED rep to custom fit a VED for me in his office.

If you do not have insurance coverage it can be pricey at about $450 - $550.

Jackp

[hb]

Actually, if you go to a compounding pharmacy, they may carry it. I know the Georgetown Pharmacy in Shawnee Mission, KS will sell certain brands over the counter. Most of their clients are seniors, so that is another place I would look.

A pharmacy that is located close to a retirement community. The sex shop VED's are of cheap quality and usually the tube is too big in diameter. They are made that way to convince guys that they will enhance the size.

[skunkworks]

Is there anyway to buy a VED without having to purchase it online?

sex shops, although the quality may be questionable.

[Exile999]

Is there anyway to buy a VED without having to purchase it online?

[Old Man]

Fred22:

I really don't think that you would have a problem using the VED therapy while pain is present. However, if you do use it, you must, repeat must, be extremely careful not to overpump the pressure. A mild version of the protocol would increase the blood flow into and out of the erectile tissue. Overpumping the vacuum pressure can and will cause further damage. So, again, if you decide to use the VED, use extreme caution as stated above.

Old Man

[Fred22]

I'm strongly considering VED, but have been in pain off and on since spring of 2006, curvature since spring of 2008 at which time there was some reduction of pain.  However, I've recently been having flareups of more intense pain.  Doesn't seem to be any change in curvature.  All my uro would prescribe was vit. E. My question is; is it advisable to begin VED therapy while pain is present? 

Fred

[newguy]

getting_there - This is very encouraging for others. Thanks for keeping us posted!

[getting_there_in_oregon]

Newguy, and all:

i don't want to overstate the effects though... i still have a ways to go! but it is really 'getting there' little by little and it's exciting to finally see something creating results!

also i think the swollen feeling you have after a session sorta changes the way you see your self which has long term effects both physical and psychological. look at yourself in the mirror after. it should look bigger just after a session.

originally sex was really complicated due to curve/skinniness and condoms wouldn't stay on as well... now i'm finally at the point where condoms stay on and sex has been great. really encouraging.

[getting_there_in_oregon]

Newguy... i've definitely noticed it makig it straighter. it still has the hourglass skinny in the middle/end though but the gurth has gone up too, and it helps stretch the head tissues and makes them grow i think. the shaft, in all penises, is hard tissues and ultimately cannot really be grown bigger but the head is different. anyway. yeah. it's straightening it! i was using it regularly for only a few months then life changes and a move postponed it. now i'm just a 3 weeks back into it and already see progress again! also, it just makes it feel 'optimized' hahaha. definitely makes you feel like you're getting the most out of what you go!

[cowboyfood]

I received my VED from Fitzz last April.  I called the company a couple of times to check on the order and a guy named Mark was very courteous and helpful. There was some delay in getting the VED out of their door, but Mark kept in contact with me and let me know which day it would arrive.

CF

[skunkworks]

Hehe it has to get all the way to urbenville, NSW so I'd be very surprised if I got it tomorrow

Cheers for letting me know they often don't email you to confirm it has been shipped.