How many hours a day with traction?

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Rockout

The AndroPenis suggests the following schedule:

Adaption Period
Days 1-5: 3 hours a day (Start at your base size)
Days 6-10: 6 hours (Add .5cm rod)
Days 11-15: 8 hours  (Add .5cm rod)

Evolution Period
1st and 2nd month: 9 hours/day (Add .5cm rod every 7 days)
3rd and 4th month: 9 hours/day (Add .5cm rod every 10 days)
From 5th month: 9 hours/day (Add .5cm rod every 15 days)

I am interested in others experience with this? How long do you use traction per day?

Rockout

I just worked out the schedule I posted above and at the end of the 5.5 month protocol, I would have added 10cm (4 inches) of bars to the device. I am just shy of two months into things and have followed the protocol to a tee. I wear it nine hours a day and add a .5cm rod every week like it suggest in the manual. The first day or so things seem 'tight' but then it settles down.

Has anyone else followed the AndrPenis protocol posted above? It seems aggressive to add 10cm of rods in 24 weeks. Now that does not equate to 10cm of length but they do say you can gain up to 1.6 inches. I am trying first-most to gain some lost length and avoid the turtle-head effect I have been experiencing with this condition.

Rockout

percival

I can't advise much on this - I have been using the Jes Extender for about 18 months but it is difficult to keep on. The strap supplied is useless and breaks requiring an expensive replacement. I have changed it to Velcro and I pad this by wrapping on a couple of turns of a thin bandage first. It too slips off after a while but if I tighten it too much it cuts off the blood supply. The result is that I just about manage to keep some gentle extension going for an hour or so each day. If anyone has any advice on improving this technique it would be welcome.
There has been some slight improvement: I think it has remodelled the plaque slightly but there is still a lot there even though I have also been taking pentox+arginine+cialis daily for about the same time. This follows surgery (Lue procedure) which I had to cure an upward 90° bend about 10 years ago. Since then more plaque has formed causing hourglassing towards the base. Luckily, the old fellah still works - most times!
Regards
Percival

LWillisjr

I've stated before that the protocol sold with many penis extenders is just that....  FOR PENIS EXTENSION. And I really don't know how many men actually see any length from this. It is a huge marketing opportunity as many men will easily pay for something in the outside chance they can make their penis longer. And many of the experienced guys here will continue to preach that men obsess more about this than women do. My wife didn't marry me for my penis, and length is NO indication of sexual satisfaction.

So to get back on topic...  The protocol that comes with the extenders is aggressive and I for one DO NOT recommend it. For Peyronies therapy you should wear these so that they provide a good comfortable stretch to the penis. Only add extenders as required. Don't be overly aggressive with adding the lengtheners.

Les
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
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Luciano

Just found a study by levine, saying that to have results you need more than 3 hours a day.
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,2345.0.html
Luc

fubar

I laid off traction for some time and now feel the need to continue.When i first started traction i would take a break after a couple or few hours.I quickly begain to wear it 6 to eight hours no problem.The trick is to get a tugging and not try to pull yourself apart.Over stretching just makes things difficult and can set you back if you injure the penis. The very mistake you really do not want to make.

Fubar

Mike_O

I believe results are a function of time - the more hours per day, every day, the more results. Unfortunately, not everyone's schedule allows for 8+ hours per day. I really doubt an hour a day 3 times per week (that is 3 hours per week) will do any good - simply not enough time in the extender.

If you have the time then adjust the tension down so you can stay in the extender as long as possible.

Rockout

I have logged over 1450 hours with the extender in the past six months as follows:

Oct 84 Hrs
Nov 274 Hrs
Dec 275 Hrs
Jan 285 Hrs
Feb 184 Hrs
Mar 214 Hrs
Apr 113 Hrs

Obviously Nov-Jan were the heavy months with most days being nine hours a day. It was a brutal schedule. I also am doing Pentax (3x 100), Ubiquinol (2x 100) and L'Arginine (2x 750) daily. I also do daily VED of about ten minutes each morning.

I have developed some skin blemishes at times with traction which lead to me ceasing treatment for days at a time (Feb-Apr) and the VED has pulled some blood to the surface of late- ehich again has led me to cease VED until it has subsided.

I can't say that I have seen a notable improvement however I continue do traction although I have scaled back to between three and six hours per day. I am predominately hoping to re-gain lost length rather than trying to straighten it out.


goodluck

I hear a lot of using traction for length improvement.  But what about hourglassing.  Can anyone say it has help them for that?

Thanks,

Good Luck

newguy


Goodluck - This Levine study indicates that there was "enhanced girth in areas of indentation or narrowing" -  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18373527

goodluck

Interesting information. A small population size but promising results.

Can anyone here report an improvement with traction?  

If so, were the gains in length and girth sustained after stoping the treatment?

I noticed he used the fast size traction equipment.

Good Luck

newguy

I'd say that I've managed to reduce curvature somewhat in the past, though I would describe it as a combined approach (pentox, coq10, ved sometimes etc). I have more time now, so am planning on putting in a decent number of hours this time around. I don't think people lose gains by traction other than if they are injured at some point. Like with any treatment, it seems like improvements made differ from person to person. It is a bit perplexing that rockout has not experienced any improvement after so many hours for instance. I wonder why that would be. I did try to PM him but his box was full.

I think I can find maybe 4 hours 5 times a week. I know others dwarf that, but this is time I can definitely allot and having rest days in there is probably a good thing too I feel. I want to try to treat it like any other form of exercise, as then I'm likely to stick to a routine.

Rockout

Hey Newguy,

Thanks mfor the heads up about my inbox - cleared up now.

I have found of late, I ghet sores where the gland meets the shaft and I need to lay off traction for four or five days to clear things up.Hey Newguy,

Thanks mfor the heads up about my inbox - cleared up now.

I have found of late, I get sores where the gland meets the shaft and I need to lay off traction for four or five days to clear things up.

I think whatever benefits I received from the treatment were early on, first month or so and beyond that not so much. I am more comfortable sitting in most day to day situations whereas before I was fidgeting  more than now – at least that is my perception.

I think whatever benefits I received from the treatment were early on, first month or so and beyond that not so much. I am more comfortable sitting in most day to day situations whereas before I was figiting  

newguy

For various reasons I haven't been able to strictly fit in a set number of hours each day lately. I was just wondering if it's the general consensus that it's the total number of hours over the process that is the important factor (in addition to the tension applied of course), rather than strictly having a set number of hours each and every day?

For instance do people feel that those using a device for 6 months at six hours a day would experience the same gains as they had stretched for the same number of hours over a year long period with no obvious pattern of use?

mike67

I am using the Fast Size traction device. Started on March23 , about 5 wks after my surgery. I was told to do 4 hours per day or more if possible. I started out doing well but lately have cut back to 2 hours most days. I just started finding it such a darn inconvenience - but a necessary one. Plus my thing was always slipping out of the tube.

The purpose was to help straighten my post op residual curve and it has really helped in that regard.
But I can't advise if 6 hours every day or whatever other schedule you prefer would work better that the other.
I imagine the more you do - the more results you will see sooner.
Mike
Mikey

Hawk

Quote from: newguy on September 11, 2012, 11:08:32 AM
I was just wondering if it's the general consensus that it's the total number of hours over the process that is the important factor (in addition to the tension applied of course), rather than strictly having a set number of hours each and every day?

For instance do people feel that those using a device for 6 months at six hours a day would experience the same gains as they had stretched for the same number of hours over a year long period with no obvious pattern of use?

Well NewGuy I am not sure of what consensus is worth.  We all have our little formulas that are logical to us but with no data.  In fact lets face it.  The very limited study on traction gleaned no data on variations of tension or hours of use.  It was a "with traction" vs "without traction" study, so all of that is up in the air.  When "they"  recommend 6 hr per day, what is it based on? All we can do is speculate about how it relates to other procedures like dental braces, Ubangi lip disks, Thailand neck stretching, tissue expansion for breast surgery or burn victims.  

Based on my speculation I try to get some traction every day even if only an hour.  If I can only get 2 hours a day I try to do it early and late.  I have this notion that the longer the period without stressing the tissue, the more likely that it will switch off (or never switch on) whatever psychological process it is that kicks in.  For that reason I hate to go over 12 hours without traction.  I would like to use it 6 hours a day and have gone 8 hours but it is rare.  And my speculation on this is probably about as good as my speculation on the nature of life in other galaxies.

Its been a few years but my study indicates there is great controversy as to what happens with stretching in burn victims.  Are more cells generated or are individual cells expanded and stretched thin.  Seems like that would be easy to document but my read indicates the answer to that is not even known.

My reasoning tells me however that many hours of light traction would be better than a few hours of heavy traction.  That is why the concept of a phallosan appeals to me.  In fact if it fits under clothes the combination of a X4 Labs and then a Phalloan when I am dressed or sleeping is the ideal combo.  Could a Ubangi stretch their lip in 1 hour a day ????  Who knows?

PS: I am absolutely convinced of the value of traction but what an absolute pain in the a$$. As a mater of fact I am strapping in now and going to mow the grass.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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newguy

Interesting thoughts. You're right that in regard to time, tension and so on there is a large element of 'winging it'. I would think that there's a certain logic to the idea that more tension equals longer eventual length, but I know of at least one study where tension was increased over time but gains in the first few months were greater. Maybe it's like with weight training where early gains are often greater as a result of taking a new approach. In my view there are studies out there relating to peyronie's and other conditions (like micropenis etc) to be confident that it's of use in helping to stretch both healthy and scar tissue.

I'm a bit worried now that my approach of late might mean that I'm not getting the benefits I could be. I'd hate to think that whenever I have day or few days off I may be setting myself back. I had my mind set on the "1000 hours" approach that I've seen on some sites, but again this is obviously a meaningless number aside from for motivational purposes. One positive is that on such sites, that usually relate to men with healthy units, hearing of user reports of gains around an 1/2 - 1 inch over that time period is common. It's anecdotal of course, but I feel that there's enough out there, combined with my own experience of traction so far, to give me hope that I'm doing something that purposeful.

I see your point about the phallosan. I wonder how much stretch it provides, whether circulation problems are ever an issue and what kind of usage people gain out of it. I'll have to see if I can kind out more. I have often wondered, with those whose peyronie's is very recent what the result of using such as all day stretch device would do in terms of the scar formation. Another unknown for us!!

Hawk

Another one of my unsubstantiated hunches is that traction in early stages of Peyronies Disease would prevent contraction from plaque from ever taking place.  I think Scar tissue would still form but contracting of scar tissue and deformity would not.  I could be wrong, and it might literally inflame the condition but I would try it and live with the decision.  I often think of burn victims that have to fight mightily to prevent contraction of scar tissue.

As I understand Phallosan, it is just a vacuum attachment to the glans that then attaches to an elastic strap hooked to the leg or elsewhere to give some stretch.  If a guy had such vacuum an attachment unit which you can buy separately, I would think the strap attachment would be simple. I am not sure it applies enough traction force by itself to do the job, but its selling point is that you can wear it longer and in situations in which you could not wear a rod traction device.  If true, that is a significant selling point.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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newguy

I think that sounds pretty much spot on. I too feel that the scar tissue would still form, but in all likelyhood the tissue would be much less likely to contract, at least as significantly as it would without that approach. If there was a device out there that was a piece of cake for everyone to use I'm sure we'd be seeing such an approach being used more often. The amount that existing devices can get in the way for one reason or another and the dedication involved puts some people off I think.


 

evankol1

I just posted about how I was cured. Check out the post. Anyway, I took off work and used the Penimaster pro for almost 6-8 hours a day. But it worked. After 400 hours I went from 35 degrees to 10. Keep track in a book how many hours you are doing to check your progress. It is possible to get rid of this crap disease. But it takes a lot of work. Like I said, I took off work for 6 months and now my penis just has a slight curve that most men have. Looks completely normal. No pain. Got over an inch of my size back too. Girth as well. Added bonus. Good luck!

mike1379

I've had good results with traction. Been using the device almost 2 years, 2 hrs twice a day...never when sleeping tho. And no aggressive stretching. Regained some length, no change in girth that I can see.