hourglassing/waisitng and traction

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chefcasey

I was just wondering if anyone here that has had an hourglass deformity has seen any positive results from traction use.  I see positive results from studies, but I wanted to know if anyone here with this deformity has experienced improvement, and if not, what has worked for them if anything?  thanks

Lennyman

dont do traction- it will make it worse- stick w the ved and follow old mans advice
Lenny was here  :)

jackp

chef

I  have pictures of another 26 year old young man that wore a Fast Size at night for several months on the advice of a doctor. It made him much worse.

He had peyronies, and venous leakage. He had to have an implant and modeling to correct the problem. Several doctors and mens clinics have seen men with damage caused by traction.

I never used it. The VED worked great for me. Like Lenny says it will make it worse.

My 2 cents

Jackp

chefcasey

Thanks guys, I am still in what you would call the early acute stages(about 3 months in) and the hourglassing is not that bad in the erect state, and I'm just trying to sort through what may work and what may not before I try anything.  I go back to the uro in about a week and am going to ask for a script for pentox since many men have posted good results with little or no side effects, but i will do more research into VED therapy

chiguy

I used traction and it worked very well. I think the traction needs to be used very carefully. One cannot use it at night while sleeping. The device must be taken off every 90 minutes to 2 hours for a break. It also must be in a comfortable position, one that someone wouldn't get while sleeping. Also, one needs to gradually build up to a stretch.

MikeSmith

Quote from: chiguy on November 28, 2010, 10:55:44 PM
I used traction and it worked very well. I think the traction needs to be used very carefully. One cannot use it at night while sleeping. The device must be taken off every 90 minutes to 2 hours for a break. It also must be in a comfortable position, one that someone wouldn't get while sleeping. Also, one needs to gradually build up to a stretch.

Yeah definitely follow all of the above advice.  Also, you have to use it at least 4 hours a day fairly routinely (i do every other day) or it's not worth it.  The paper on the device showed that improvement correlated to hours used.   Intuitively the VED makes more sense to me for indentations and hourglassing... because the force is circular around the whole penis.  The stretching of the tunica (front to back) in the fast size device is thought to stretch out the scar too... but intuitevely it makes less sense that pulling something lengthwise could help its girth expand. (Supposedly, it doesn't mater how one stretches the scar...as long as it is stretched, the penis can just expand back to where it used to be on erection).

I have reduced hourglassing on 1 side at this point.  Actually it's gone...and it was very bad 6 mos ago.  However, this could be due to a lot of factors so I don't want to award fast size the prize for this given that I was taking a lot of meds, using the VED, getting verapamil (which I think made it worse), and also the natural progress of scar tissue tends to release somewhat after the active "building" phase.  

Also, just remember nothing will work quickly...I didn't see improvement for over 6 months.

chefcasey

thanks for your responses, and congratulations on your progress Mike!  This is such a difficult thing to deal with and any improvement is something extremely happy with.

I agree also with the intuitiveness of the ved working better for loss of girth and hourglassing such as  I have.  The two intuitively seem different in that the traction devices stretch scar tissues of the tunica over time by externally wearing the device, so this would seem to me to be better for curvature/loss of length.  Whereas the ved is an internal stretch by forcing more bloodflow to stretch the tunica, simulating an erection, but with more force of bloodflow to expand the scar tissue as much as possible.  Another difference and potential problem in theory that I see, is that the traction devices focus on stretching the scar tissue and can leave the healthy tissue alone, since the scar tissue is the weakest point of the stretch, which the traction device targets I would imagine.  
In this regard, can the ved actually have more of a risk of injuring healthy tissue?

I make an assumption like this because it would seem to me in theory, that the ved stretches the scar tissue through more forceful/larger volume of bloodflow, that affects all areas of the penis that blood can get into, not just the damaged parts.  I doubt this is something that happens a lot from the good responses I see on this forum, but if one overpumps, I can see this as the result.

I can see they both have their upsides and downsides, but I won't make a decision until I go see Dr. Levine in a month.  I've tried every uro in my area for a prescription to pentox, and no luck.  I'm hoping Dr. Levine will prescribe it for me, and once I'm on it, it should at least start to soften my scar tissue, and that would seem like the right time to try one or the other.  I'm really trying to do my diligent research before i try one.  

skunkworks

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newguy

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I have reduced hourglassing on 1 side at this point.  Actually it's gone...and it was very bad 6 mos ago.  However, this could be due to a lot of factors so I don't want to award fast size the prize for this given that I was taking a lot of meds, using the VED, getting verapamil (which I think made it worse), and also the natural progress of scar tissue tends to release somewhat after the active "building" phase.  

Also, just remember nothing will work quickly...I didn't see improvement for over 6 months.

I feel the same way. With all of the treatments I use, it's always hard for me to pinpoint the original of improvements. I definitely think I've experienced a gradual improvement over the past year or so, even though I've had peyronie's for ages, but it's very difficult for me to pinpoint why that is. I do have minor pain issues though, and have done for ages, so it's not all good news. I'l probably do an update on the site every six months as to my conditions and improvements (or otherwise) that have taken place. I accept that there's not going to be any fast miracle recovery for me, but I'm happy to carry on, on my current path and add new treatments to my reginem if they look promising (coq10 etc).

swiss

Sooooooo....I've been doing traction and I have hour glassing with not so bad a curve...is VED what I should be doing instead? I have a CED but I don't have a gauge on it...so not sure if it's a good idea to use.  

TonySa

Check out the VED protocols, a gauge doesn't seem important...just avoid full erections.
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Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

swiss

Thanks did some digging and ended up finding it!!  

TonySa

The protocols seem well done, there's also a study supporting 3" rounds of pump, deflate and cycle for 15".  Do twice a day.
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Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

pey ron

why would traction be bad for indents? would it be bad for the same reason in the case that one has a bit of tapering close to the head?

@Skunkworks: you seem to have got good results from traction. Were you getting a bit sore in the first few days? I wonder if in order to get good results one should never experience any soreness at all...

I've only done it for a few days, with an ESL40 hooked onto a chest harness, and I am not sure how to adjust it. If I am sitting at my desk and I have adjusted it for standing, the tension vanishes when I sit down. If I adjusted it for sitting and then I get up and walk around a bit, then the tension becomes a bit too strong. I have also tried the leg harness, but typically that pulls much harder when walking. I've tried hooking it onto a waist band for wearing it while going out, but I can barely achieve any tension on the dorsal (upper) part of the penis that way.

Do you have any good advice?

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TonySa

Haven't heard that traction is bad for indents.

For dorsal curve having the same problem...tension varies while sitting or standing with PMP using leg strap.  Ordered ESL40 chest harness hoping it would be consistent pressure...sounds like not.  With PNP I find the waistbsteap approach applies consistent good pressure.  Haven't tried the PMP rod system yet...looks like a torture device...lol but should apply consistent pressure.  There's a similar system in ebay more reasonably priced than PMP
PxD 2 yrs 9/16.  Failed all treatment. 9/11/18: excision, grafting & implant Dr Karpman MtnView Ca, AMS CX 18cm + 3-1cm RTEs.
Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

Oscarj

A few questions Gentlemen,

I would be very grateful for the collective insight of the group.

For background, the very first incident for me was about 25 years ago, and was a sudden and painful bend of about 30 degrees, which resolved itself (also took Potaba, which probably did nothing) after a few weeks, but resulted in an hourglassing/loss of mass just below the glans. This resulted in 2-3 cm loss of length, but no other dysfunction. This condition remained unchanged for about 20 years until about three and a half years ago when the hourglassing expanded significantly further towards the base of the penis. I then scheduled a visit with Dr Levine four months later, and to produce an erection, he injected a drug directly into the base of my penis. This immediately resulted in hourglassing at that location. He recommended the US Physiomed traction device. However, due to a heavy work schedule, I was unable to begin traction therapy at that time. My workload has subsequently diminished substantially, and I am now able to spend time on traction therapy.

Also, for reference, and probably no connection, but the two instances of deterioration were preceded by a moderately sharp pain in my lower abdomen about 7-10cm to my right, and at an angle of about 45 degrees above the base of my penis. Oddly enough, this was also almost the exact location where I later had a hernia. Probably no connection, but I add the data anyway.

Thus, my Peyronies seems to mostly take the form of hourglassing.

My questions:

-  How long was it from the onset of hourglassing to beginning the treatment?
-  Has anyone else experienced hourglassing after an injection?
-  How does one determine what is the appropriate level of tension for traction?
-  Are there significantly different results from using traction for 2-3 hours or 4-6 hours per day?
-  Has anyone had no improvement after several months of traction therapy?
-  Has anyone suffered damage from traction therapy?
-  In the experience of site participants, after how many months did you begin to notice an improvement?
-  How was the improvement manifested?
-  How much improvement was made in the hourglassing in total?
-  At what point did traction therapy cease to yield improvement?
-  Does traction therapy become a lifetime regimen, or at some point, will I be able to stop using the device permanently?

Many thanks for all insight. The literature on this is not terribly detailed.




monsterjaw

Was just reading a post about a guy who used traction for 400 hrs and fixed it. You can search it in the bar.

pey ron

@Tsanchez12369: look at the custom harness I built for myself. I also attached a photo of it.

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I'm planning to build a belt as well, to be worn under the waistline as I am at work.
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NeoV

Traction basically "cured" or greatly diminished my dents and hourglass, all by hand. The results seem permenant but I will be doing it for life.

swiss

Neo- how bad was your hourglassing? Are you able to have regular sex now? How long did it take?

TonySa

Traction by hand, what was your routine?
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Pump failed.  2/11/20 Dr Karpman installed Titan 22cm +1cm RTE.

peter123

Quote from: jackp on November 16, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
chef

I  have pictures of another 26 year old young man that wore a Fast Size at night for several months on the advice of a doctor. It made him much worse.

He had peyronies, and venous leakage. He had to have an implant and modeling to correct the problem. Several doctors and mens clinics have seen men with damage caused by traction.

I never used it. The VED worked great for me. Like Lenny says it will make it worse.

My 2 cents

Jackp


so what the F~@< is one supposed to do??
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samsung

Traction does not make anything worse unless you're doing a tractor pull with your dick or you are a dumbass and wear it at night while you're sleeping. In some cases it can cause certain types of damage (my glans seemed to shrink from PMP) or cut off circulation with a noose device. But if you listen to your body and go slow it will be fine.

And when I said certain damage can be done, I don't know if my glans was shrinking anyway from the peyronie's itself. And neither does/did the OP I'm betting. Sometimes things get worse and curvature increases because that is what it does independently of what you're doing. This is a progressive disease.
45 y.o. Single. Onset of symptoms (pain-stinging like a wasp) @ 6/2018. No sudden injury. Curve developed slowly. 40 deg. dorsal. Hourglassing. Torsion to left flaccid. 4 rounds xiaflex. Restorex, DMSO+, heat, arginine, cialis, lipoic acid, vit. K2