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newguy

I noticed on the Dupuytren's contracture forum that this has been many peoples favourite (for want of a better word) treatment for a few years now. In the US there appear to be a number of people treating it this way, and in the UK one or two willing to provide the treatment (Poole Hospital is often mentioned). It seems a little 'out there' but does appear to work to varying extents from what I read. Whether or not it would work for peyronie's I'm not so sure. A few studies have suggested that it really does help with pain. Perhaps for some men, that would be reason enough to give it a go. Maybe the stage of the disease is important too. Certain treatments might be really effective shortly after injury/symptoms appear, and not so much after that. I'm talking in general though really, not specifically this treatment.  

mike67

Newguy
There haven't been any posts in response to your new thread re Radiotherapy. So here is one to get the ball rolling again.
I guess that it is actually called Radio Frequency Albation?
I just came from my regular appointment with my Cardiologist and he is interested in my progress , or lack of , with Peyronies Disease. This because of all the heart related drugs he prescribes me after my quintuple Bypass 23 years ago. He is concerned about any stress Peyronies Disease may cause me.
He said that Albation is used often in treating several heart attack induced conditions , as well as a treatment for some forms of Cancer. This is detailed in the article posted by UK.
He felt that because of how it is used in those instances , it may be a useful treatment for Peyronies and wants me to discuss it with my Urologist when I see him on Wednesday this week.
I don't have very much backup info but perhaps someone will have done more research or can offer up some  commentary I could use to sound like I knew what I was talking about.
Mike
Mikey

crashbandit

Is this the same as ultrasound? If so, there's another thread with someone who is trying it out.

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1374.0.html
Cheers

mike67

RFA is new to me. My Cardiologist suggested it may work for Peyronies Disease. It is not an Ultrasound. I mentioned it to my Urologist last week. He is our Peyronies Disease Specialist. He looked as if a light had gone on and he said it was an interesting idea and he would investigate it. He is also head of a prominant Research Institute. You can google : Dr. Richard Casey and he will appear.
Here is a clip from a web site I just googled.

Radio Frequency Ablation of Inoperable Lung Tumors
 Sunday, October 24, 2010
Dr. David Nielson, MD, FACS, Director of the Center for Minimally Invasive Thoracic Surgery, has been performing for over eight years a procedure called Radio Frequency Ablation (RFA).  The procedure destroys non-resectable primary lung tumors and metastatic tumors that have spread to the lungs.
This from a different site:
RFA is radiofrequency ablation. It's been done primarily in liver lesions, and in unusual to rare cases, it's been done on lung lesions (generally in just a few centers). It involves placing a wire into the lesion from outside of the body, then heating it up to a temperature that cooks the tissue around the wire.

This from The Elkhart General Healthcare System:
Radio-Frequency Ablation is achieved by inserting metallic probes - needles or similar multi-pronged devices - directly into the targeted tumor. Radio-frequency waves are then passed through these devices directly into the tumor to destroy it. The procedure is performed under CT guidance within Radiation Oncology.

I think I will copy this to Old Man and also George999 and see what they think.

Thanks for your message

Mike



Mikey

George999

Personally, this would NOT be my first stop.  To me this is close to surgery.  It is really untested when it comes to Peyronie's.  It *might* work, but also it might leave you worse off than you are now.  Its totally untested.  On the other hand there are hundreds if not thousands of Peyronie's sufferers using Pentoxifylline and getting good results from it.  It is becoming more and more a proven treatment.  There are NO reports from anyone of Pentoxifylline making their Peyronie's worse.  NONE.  For a few it doesn't work.  But it doesn't make things worse.  Ablation is blatantly invasive.  No one knows what side effects it would produce because it has never been used this way before.  And then there are the VED and traction.  Again, lots of Peyronie's sufferers have used these methodologies and I have never heard of a case where someone has suffered a significant setback due to their use.  Many have experienced their life back as a result of them.  Common sense dictates that one try what has been shown to work FIRST and THEN look at experimental options.  - George

mike67

Thanks George
Perhaps I should remove my posting as it seems too far fetched a proposal.
Mike
Mikey

George999

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be on the table.  I'm just saying that I would be concerned that it is an untried invasive therapy and that makes it a bit scary for me.  As invasive as surgery is, it has been done repeatedly and successfully.  I really think that any attempt at radio ablation should be done in a research setting and not by someone just wanting to "try it out".  That is my concern and I really think it is actually good that you brought it up here and that it can be openly discussed.  I certainly think it has potential.  Its just that I wouldn't want to be the first to try it unless all other options had failed.  Some guys with severe cases, for various reasons might have failed all other options and surgery might not be an option for them for one reason or another.  They are the ones who, in my mind, would be candidates for something like this.  - George

dioporcolorisolvo

An urologist said me that it's similar to hypertermia.
Does anyone know this alternative treatment?

Luciano

Well I have heard of it but not in conjunction with Peyronies Disease
Its a little like Ultrasound therapy but instead of ultrasound you have high frequency electromagnetic waves (i think)

http://tecarcr.com/ingles/technology.html

tecar is a trademark, tecar seems to be the company name.

Will it have some effect on Peyronies Disease?
Could, could not. Like ultrasound, some say yes, a little, some say not at all.

Luc

George999

Here is a really off the wall topic.  But since it apparently ties in to inflammation, it gets my attention.  Dr Joseph Mercola has a fascinating interview with cardiologist Dr Stephen Sinatra on this topic here -> http://www.youtube.com/user/mercola#p/u/9/11PC8AFrh5w  The basic concept is that simply attaching a grounding connection to the body for extended periods on a daily basis acts as a super antioxidant effectively reliving oxidative stress throughout the body.  On the surface it is the kind of thing one tends to associate with copper bracelets and magnets in shoes and other such nonsense.  But ... when really thinking it through, there is an element that makes sense and it is certainly not difficult or expensive to try.  At this point I have an electrically conductive diabetic TENS sock on order (you can buy them for around $20) and I plan to try sleeping with it for a bit and see what the effects are.  I will be reporting back periodically to let you all know how things work out.  - George

Skjaldborg

I won't criticize folks who want to try this stuff, since it is probably harmless, but I'm very skeptical about this product. How would grounding the body reduce oxidative stress/ act as an antioxidant? The human body is not a capacitor, i.e. it doesn't hold on to electrical charges for any length of time and thus causing any of he problems described here. The science here is dubious at best.

As usual, the best advice for cardiopulmonary health is much more down to earth: eat right, exercise, don't smoke and drink in moderation. Conductive socks are not necessary.  ;D

-Skjaldborg

George999

I totally understand your skepticism.  I have known about it for some time and have written it off.  But when I hear that multiple researchers have actually done multiple studies demonstrating effectiveness, I cannot continue to write it off.  While I don't understand the how, I do understand results, especially when they are measurable via lab tests.  And in this case that indicates to me that there just might be something going on here.  - George

ronners

make sure you don't go out in the rain wearing them ... might be in for a shock   :o  

George999

Actually, if there is electrical storm activity around, I don't think the sock would make a difference one way or the other.  On the other hand we all live in an electrical storm of various sorts with all kinds of emf and static charges in the air.  As Skjald very correctly pointed out, the body is *not* a capacitor.  But when you put insulative clothing on it and sleep on insulative sleeping material, you turn it into just that.  That is precisely why when you get out of your car and touch something you get a cool little zap.  You are not grounded because you are wearing shoes with rubber soles, and what you get the zap from may or may not be grounded, but it has a different potential than your body has.  This change in electrical potential in the body is what earthing advocates claim is detrimental to health because it disturbs the electron balance in the body.  They claim to have some rather convincing evidence that this harm is indeed real.  So laugh all you like, I intend to give it a shot.  - George

ronners

'watt' ever  :D ... only kidding good luck ...  

LauRenT

Well, i'm sorry if my message is out of the topic, or maybe not but i use in combination of treatment and VED, the Genesen Acoutouch pointers. Maybe you know..... i do a 15 min session everyday and i think it help me.
I don't want to make publicity, but ( i talk from my case ) it safety, i have good sensation after use it.
I just wanted to give the information, if it could help.

http://196.25.195.212/genesen/eng/site.nsf/HowItWorks.gif


james1947

I am working in aerospace and electronics for 45 years and yes, grounding is very important not to damage avionics and electronics components by electrostatic discharge.
What I don't understand how the electrostatic discharge or potential differences between us and earth affecting the electron balance in the body because I don't know what the electron balance in the body is. Dr Mercola explain the subject also?
Regarding Dr Mercola, is an amazing marketing success. I was also a big fun and follower of him. Unfortunately I bought 3 products from his site and no one have done to me what it supposed to. I don't want to say the products are not doing what they supposed to do, maybe for other people it worked fine just for me not.
James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

George999

I try a lot of different things and hang onto what works.  Currently I buy whey and coconut oil from Dr Mercola because I am convinced that they are good products at a fair price.  But I am not about to spend a lot of money on something like earthing UNLESS it proves obviously beneficial.  As Dr Mercola himself points out, you can do it by just walking barefoot in the grass or switching to leather soled shoes.  I am more than willing to spend $20 on a sock to give it a shot.  If I see benefit from that, I will take it a step further.    - George

james1947

Yes, I think also $20 is not to much to give a try.
My question is: How you will monitor if it helps or not?
For me grounding is not an issue, I am living now in the Far East and here everybody walking bare foot at home (me also) so have good grounding.
James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

George999

I primarily want to see the effect, if any, on blood pressure, blood sugar, etc.  These sorts of things are measurable and this is the area the proponents are claiming to have success in.  - George

George999

Well ... the sock certainly seems to be helping.  Not with Peyronie's at this point, but it seems to have a strange magical effect in terms of causing profound relaxation.  My wife has noticed this as well when she has used it.  You put the thing on and before you know it you are sound asleep.  Pretty amazing.  I am going to order more of them for my family members.  Not bad for a total of around $40.00.  - George

BentYoung

George -

Can you supply a link to purchase said socks?

Thanks  

George999

Well, here is where I got the sock -> http://www.otcwholesale.com/koalaty-gu4025.html

I was going to make my own cord, but then decided it would be simpler to just buy one.  I got that here -> https://shop.earthing.com/products/44/Earthing-Coil-Cord

- George

goodluck

I am skeptical too about this but if someone gets results I would never make right that individual off as crazy.  I know the body runs on electrical impulses. I once had an MRI and afterwards I felt somewhat dizzy and out of it.  I am conviced that magnetic fields and EMF fields can do stuff to your physiology.  This just may be in an area man does not understand well enough.

justo

Hi All....
Well as you can imagine I am burning up the internet with research in this matter.
And I ran across something that perhaps has not been tried --- Magnetic field therapy.

In Germany there is a pretty big alternative medicine culture and....well i think i am going to investigate this further. I just spoke to a person who is an expert in this field and she is going to start tyne research into what can be done about our dilemma. As the story continues with this i will post all stages and conversations.
I hope to be able to contribute to the body of knowledge here and ....since there is no cure really....that this opens up something we haven't thought of.

All the best
J

james1947

Hi Justo
Every new approach is welcome. Let us know when you will have some answers.
James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum