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MikeSmith

So anyway, I am no better and doc insists the ONLY thing that can help me now - aside from surgery - is fastsize.  I hate wearing the thing and have not seen results from it.  He said he had a guy with a 70 degree curve wear it CONSTANTLY for months who reversed all of the curve and also grew inches.  I just do not think I am that lucky.  

How much success have people had here with traction?  Are any of you people who have calcium deposits?

Anyway, that's my rant about fastsize and my current sitution... I can't believe I have had zero progress...only worsening in the oddest possible ways.  

newguy

I know you had a few problems with sleeping due to pentox, but how long did you take it for? It would seem a viable option to try to limit this calcium issue. Maybe it's pretty aggressive though..

You mention that you feel that there calcified areas may be linked to the verapimil injections? Does it seem that they are located at the injection sites? I know some men do have trouble with injections. If I'm being honest, I'm not sure that injecting a peyronie's penis is a great idea unless there is something truly groundbreaking in the syringe. That's just my take on it though. I'm sure it has helped some men.

There is not really a culture of using traction devices on the site. That's possibly because there is more support for the VED (I don't mean, as in 'cheerleaders', but rather patient and helpful members, who guide men through what initially might seem like an alien process). I'm aware of the traction studies, and that Levine has has some success with using the device. I'm also aware of penis enlargement sites where some guys gain an inch or two after many, many hours of use of such devices. If you've exhausted all other avenues, it's certainly worth a try. I found fastsize quite difficult to use, and have found the VacAds (a vacuum based traction device) easier to use. I'm concentrating on the VED at the moment though, which seems to be going well. I think using two devices at once would be too risky for me.

 

Ptolemy

I would try traction even if all you can manage is a couple of hours a day because of your schedule and the impossibility of wearing the device outside of your home. It surely helped me in the 6 months I used traction reducing the curve significantly from 70 - 90 degrees to 20 - 40 degrees today. I had to give it up when I had rotator cuff surgery. The device was unmanageable for 2 months.  I've tried it a couple of times since but not over enough time to see any further changes. I only have 1 spot of plaque which I've described/written up in my history.

I have been using VED for over 3 years now. I don't find it as effective as traction as a solution to improving bend and lost length but VED is manageable and god knows where I would be w/o VED. I have recently started traction again because my schedule allows and am managing 2 to 5 hours a day right now. Ive never had any issues using both VED and Traction over the same period.  I don't know how long I can make Traction last. I am motivated to try it again because I've noticed a slight loss of length, a slight growth of the plaque and a slight increase in the bend over the past year. I have been on Trental 400 x 2 each day for 2 years.

I think my peyronies is the type that grows very slowly but never stops. So I think VED and Traction will be with me the rest of my sex life. As bad as that seems, the alternative is worse.    


chiguy

When I saw Dr. Levine, his PA was surprised I was able to wear the thing for 40 hours a week. Now I've cut down to about 25 hours a week as I'm 8 months in. In my experience, as I add traction to the fastsize, it becomes harder to wear for more than 4 hours a day tops. It reduced my curve by about 1/3 and I built close to an inch in length. I think I'll give it another 3 months then call it quits. It's likely the length will be slightly reduced because when you are pulling at your maximum stretch it will decrease a little if not used.

ulster

I was diagnosed 6 years ago when I started hour glassing just above the base and an immediate loss of EQ and about an inch of loss.  The urologist I saw had zero patient skills - he told me that there was nothing that could be done and that I was likely "imagining" the loss of length.  He actually told me to lose weight if I wanted to increase the appearance of length.  He gave me no options and also made me feel so embarrassed that I never returned to a uro regarding this condition again.  Gradually afterwards, the hour glass went away and I developed a 45 degree curve.

Then, I was recently diagnosed with Dupuytren's from my family doctor.  As part of the process, he asked if I had any penile problems as Peyronies and Dup were related.  I was so relieved to find a doctor that would actually talk openly to me about this and he assured me that with Peyronies I could indeed lose girth, length, and EQ as a result.  He mentioned the traction studies and off I went to do some self study.

I ended up with Andropenis, due to the medical certifications, and have been using only for 4 weeks.  The Andropenis solution looks exactly like the Fastsize, with some minor differences in comfort bands, etc.  After 4 weeks, I have had no real changes in curavture yet and a .2" increase to stretched length.  I have yet to re-measure erect length, so not sure if the increase translates. The biggest change I have seen to-date is an increase in girth at the hinge of the curve.  Also I have noticed an improvement in EQ, which is worth the price of admission alone.  I half suspect that the increase in EQ could be a large contributing factor in the girth increase.

I have not been expecting any noticeable changes to curvature for another month or two, so I have been pleased with the results so far.  It is comfortable to wear right now but I suspect that will change over time as I add rods to increase traction.  Fortunately I have a home office so I can wear for the 9 hours daily recommended by the manufacturer.  I have had to take 2 two-day rest periods due to business travel since starting...I can imagine the embarrassment of having TSA pull the device out of my carry-on and asking what it is.   ;)

Chi-Guy - you seem to have had success in curvature correction.  Can you advise if you wore the device in any special way (up, down, to the side)?

Below is my starting and current progress.  I will report back periodically with results for any that are interested.

8/10 curvature - 45
9/7 curvature - 45
8/10 BPSL - 5.8"
9/7 BPSL - 6.0"
8/10 girth - 4.2"
9/7 girth - 4.7"

chiguy

I had a 19 degree upward curve and 16 degree leftward curve starting in the middle of the shaft. I wore the device down and to the right (down the right pant leg). I think I noticed curvature reduction after about 3 months. I noticed increased EQ almost immediately. I started streching below my max. stretched length so it took a little while to notice gains. I tried wearing it for 50 hours a week. That was easy until about month 3, then it started to hurt too much, so I went down to 40 hours a week. After 8 months, I get about 25 hours a week. I've gained 1 inch in length and .25 inch in girth. Curvature reduction is about 1/3.

ulster

Ok, it's been one month since my last report.  I made some more progress, which has really lifted my spirits.  This routine is becoming a bit difficult, but today's progress is very motivating:

8/10 curvature - 45
9/7 curvature - 45
8/10 BPSL - 5.8"
9/7 BPSL - 6.0"
8/10 girth - 4.2"
9/7 girth - 4.7"
10/7 curvature - 40 (woo hoo!)
10/7 BPSL - 6.25" (a gain of almost .5" from my lost length)
10/7 girth - 4.7" (no new gain there, but indention at the hinge is nearly visibly gone)

I was able to get an accurate erect measurement of 5.75" which is a full .5" gain from when I started and I am now halfway to regaining the lost length from peyronies.  Chi-Guy's report that it took about 3 months to get noticable improvement in curvature seems to be holding true for me as well.  I'll know in a month when I re-assess...

MikeSmith

congrats... about how much are you using it (every day / hours per day?)  i havent had seen any results... i have more plaque though now... so that probably negated any growth  

newguy

In addition in Mikes question, do you use it daily, or ever have any rest days? It sounds like you're making good progress, so thanks for keeping us informed!

ulster

Sorry for the delay on responding.  I just came out of a 2 week break.  My work travel schedule was very intense and I decided not to stress myself out over how to get my hours in, so I took a bit of a break.  

Outside of this break, I generally wear 9 hours per day.  On the weekends I tend to wear less and average 5-6 hours on Sat/Sun.  I do have the odd missed day here or there due to travel, etc.  I have a home office, so wearing is very easy for me.

Mike - how long have you been wearing?  Also, how many total hours have you logged?  I have 410 total hours, if that helps you gauge.  "Hang" in there if you are early in the treatment, stay positive and don't stop.  



MikeSmith0

Thanks ulster.  I think your consistency is paying off.  I am not as consistent... but trying!  It's hard to stay consistent and even the docs say their patients have had a hard time using it for so many hours.  

Do you wear it at work?  My concern is that I'd end up in some weird position & need to shift it - or people would see me readjusting my crotch ... or when I took it off in the bathroom it would be extremely embarassing if someone walked in to hear odd mechanical sounds happening in the stall (and I can't really put it on standing so it would probably fall on the bathroom floor)...and then i walk out... i've played all the "take your fastsize to work" scenarios out in my head and decided against it...though it is a long stretch of time that I am giving up by not wearing it there.

chiguy

After month 5, I found the device increasingly difficult to wear. I was only able to wear it for an hour or even less at a time and the gains went much slower. After month 7, I was able to only wear it for about 40 minutes before having to rest. At month 8, I called it quits and Dr. Levine's office agreed. I think I reached my max potential with it.

Old Man

IMPORTANT NOTE TO ANY AND ALL:

For those who might be interested in acquiring a FastSize Traction Device.

Recently a member who had an implant done sent me his traction device as he no longer needed it. It has been used, of course, but it in good condition. It is up for grabs by anyone who desires to acquire one.

It is free of charge shipped by U.S. Priority Mail to the first responder of this post. Please send a private message to me with your name and address and I will send it free of charge on a first received first served basis. Please only Stateside addressees only - don't want to get involved with any governmental/customs rules and regulations for overseas shipments, sorry offshore guys!

Old Man  
Age 92. Peyronies Disease at age 24, Peyronies Disease after
stage four radical prostatectomy in 1995, Heart surgery 2004 with three bypasses/three stents.
Three more stents in 2016. Hiatal hernia surgery 2017 with 1/3 stomach reduction. Many other surgeries too.

Zach

Is the fastsize device still available?
If so I would like it.
Zach

MikeSmith0

no it's been taken off the market by the FDA because they were making medical claims without FDA approval.

other companies that make extenders include:

Andropenis
MaleEdge
Phallosan

rontherube

anyone hear of these guys?

Peyronies operation
3.000 cases done; no shortening; starting fr. USD 15,000; Germany+UK
The-European-Institute-UGRS.com

RDR
RDR

chiguy

Size Genetics basically has a fastsize instrument without the medical claims.

Google them. They have a website. Seems the same.

skunkworks

They're all pretty similar. I think sizegenetics might be a bit overpriced.
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

Review of current treatment options by Levine and Sherer]

MikeSmith0

Since I started this thread 4 months ago, I have had a reduction in curve by about 20-30 degrees since its peak curve at about 40-60 degrees (after  verapamil shots).  I used fastsize about 3 times a week for about 4-6 hours.  The left side of the hourglass is now filled in.  I would say I have 20-30 degrees of curve left at this point which is not that bad & now I have a dent as opposed to an hourglass.  Things started looking better in October, somewhat suddenly actually.  I waited & waited forever - nothing seemed to be working.  I don't know if the verapamil actually helped this (in the long run) or if it's from fast size, pills, or a coincidence.  I use the VED  less frequently - but I used both on occasion in the last 4 months.

The plaques seem to be the same size, strangely enough.

I am also taking a number of pills including -

Vit E
Vit D
L-Arginine
L-Acetyl-Carnitine
Fish Oil
Pycnogenol
Cialis 5 Mg Every other Day or Split Viagra

Pentox is out bc it hurt my stomach & made it hard to sleep.  I recently added in ubiquinol but it's already improved before this.  

I am not out of the woods yet bc the erection quality is not great & there is still a hinge effect w/ half an hourglass.  I have still lost about 1 full inch which is probably scar tissue now...I may have gained some length back from the worst period in June.  It's not an easy thing to measure.  

If the animal studies on "thinned out tunica" (from low T) are applicable to humans, I don't know that stretching the tunica endlessly is that smart.  I am going to be on TRT anyway because my free T levels were too low & it has been suggested this can be the underlying cause of Peyronies Disease in some cases.  I had ED since mid twenties...so I was probably dealing with some T issue for a while.  

chiguy

You have made some great gains. Hopefully you can continue it. Perhaps try increasing the fastsize to 6 days a week? Though gradually build it to this.

I found the device hard to wear at around the 8 month mark and a month later I bagged it for good. But I was wearing it 50 hours a week, then dropped it to 40, then finally to 30 at the 8 month mark.


MikeSmith

Quote from: chiguy on November 30, 2010, 10:51:31 PM
I found the device hard to wear at around the 8 month mark and a month later I bagged it for good. But I was wearing it 50 hours a week, then dropped it to 40, then finally to 30 at the 8 month mark.



That's some serious commitment .  The issue I have is that it hurts if I wear it 6 hrs one day and try to put it on the next day... which makes me concerned that it might be causing a little damage & swelling inside perhaps.  Overall, I don't have pain anymore (it was at its peak in June during the active phase - 6 mos after onset roughly) so the only thing that would cause pain is FS so I try to avoid extended use.  

chiguy

Do the 6 hours one day and try 2 hours the next day, maybe in the afternoon since it will be a good rest period.

skunkworks

Quote from: MikeSmith on December 02, 2010, 06:18:44 PM
That's some serious commitment .  The issue I have is that it hurts if I wear it 6 hrs one day and try to put it on the next day... which makes me concerned that it might be causing a little damage & swelling inside perhaps.  Overall, I don't have pain anymore (it was at its peak in June during the active phase - 6 mos after onset roughly) so the only thing that would cause pain is FS so I try to avoid extended use.  

I swapped out the springs for lower tension ones. I tested the tension on the FS device and found the minimum force it took to compress the springs even slightly was 1.8kg, which is above the tension used in the studies.  
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

Review of current treatment options by Levine and Sherer]

newguy

Some people here are seriously dedicated to traction devices. There hasn't really been that aspect to the site before. It's a shame that so many hours are required to get the best results (i assume), but then if it works for some men, as it appears to and as studies suggest, then it is worth it in the long run. Like with any treatment though, it's important to be careful and not rush into a regimen that is simply too much. It could result in set backs.

MikeSmith0

Quote from: newguy on December 03, 2010, 05:46:29 PM
Some people here are seriously dedicated to traction devices. There hasn't really been that aspect to the site before. It's a shame that so many hours are required to get the best results (i assume), but then if it works for some men, as it appears to and as studies suggest, then it is worth it in the long run. Like with any treatment though, it's important to be careful and not rush into a regimen that is simply too much. It could result in set backs.

yeah... i think it gained popularity as people finally saw results... it takes a long time w/ some people.  though i cant credit it for certain with reducing my hourglass, it may have been the cause.  levine and a few other urologists love this thing... and a couple think it's a fad that will go away in 10 years.  Milam and Morgentaller were not against it when i mentioned this to them but they didn't seem to think it was the main solution.  

Peyronies Disease destroys elastin while overbuilding collagen... so, stretching out what ellastin is left can be very beneficial i think.  who knows, maybe it triggers additional natural elastin production - though this is hypothetical.  i mentioned before that plastic surgeons who use tissue expanders say that the end result is expanded but thinned tissue...so yes, they can put in a breast implant after expansion after mastectomy...but the breast will always have thinner skin, at least this is what 1 plastic surgeon told me.  

taylorj

I have wore a noose-style extender (KR Extender) from autoextender.com for about a year with little impact. I have alternated it with a JES Extender with the comfort strap for the past eight months and am now seeing incremental thickening of the hourglassed part. And, ironically, I have a bit bigger flaccid penis to show off in the locker room. Please see my post about using the silicone tubes from autoextender.com as a replacement for the cheap, abrasive foam interfaces that are usually shipped with the comfort strap. Life has been a lot easier since I discovered this.