Shouldn't everyone just get an implant?

[samsung]

Not sure if this belongs in psychological or in this forum. Here goes...

My mind keeps circling back to the same thing. I have read about very, very few people in this forum that have any kind of long term success. I constantly read about how this is a progressive disease where it will always form new scar tissue, always shrink, always have flare ups, etc., etc. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall reading, for ex., I had a xiaflex shot and it straightened out and stayed that way for 15 years.

My mind always comes back to what I see as solid logic. Why isn't, directly upon diagnosis, an implant suggested? Won't each and every single person eventually end up with one? You don't hear from many long term sufferers here on this forum. People like Old Man were "cured" and remained stable because they had an injury and they healed it with VED, etc. People that have the genetic form do not fit into this category. It would appear that always gets worse.

So why wait for it to get worse? I gained some length back, but my glans is shrinking. A dent has deepened. What am I waiting for? Why do these time consuming treatments? What is the point?

Is my logic flawed?

[JohnnyDoe]

Sure, if an implant would only have pros and no cons.

As far as I have read and probably you too, an implant:
- could cause an infection after surgery
- could be uncomfortable in everyday tasks, sitting, biking, ...
- lasts about 15 years
- can be hard to deflate
- is irreversible

I understand its a logical solution when you have long term Erectile Dysfunction or not able to have sex, else I still think it is better to wait or try something before going this route.

But because there are no proper protocols, I am under the impression that some of the remedies we try, might delay healing or even further damage. Also, I am not sure we are getting all the "success" stories in this forum because many do not return or ever post something.

[Pfract]

Posts like these tell us that you need to research more the treatment modalities and what's available to people with peyronies and ed. The implant is not for everybody definitely. And it has its drawbacks.  

[Stratt_mat1]

Not sure if this belongs in psychological or in this forum. Here goes...

My mind keeps circling back to the same thing. I have read about very, very few people in this forum that have any kind of long term success. I constantly read about how this is a progressive disease where it will always form new scar tissue, always shrink, always have flare ups, etc., etc. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall reading, for ex., I had a xiaflex shot and it straightened out and stayed that way for 15 years.

My mind always comes back to what I see as solid logic. Why isn't, directly upon diagnosis, an implant suggested? Won't each and every single person eventually end up with one? You don't hear from many long term sufferers here on this forum. People like Old Man were "cured" and remained stable because they had an injury and they healed it with VED, etc. People that have the genetic form do not fit into this category. It would appear that always gets worse.

So why wait for it to get worse? I gained some length back, but my glans is shrinking. A dent has deepened. What am I waiting for? Why do these time consuming treatments? What is the point?

Is my logic flawed?

That was my mindset as well. But it seems a lot of people can bounce back with other less invasive treatments as well. Each case is pretty unique. The people on the forums that are there for a while usually end up being the more severe cases as well. I was under the mindset I should just get an inplant instead of worrying about losing more size progressively and then implanting later anyways. However people have regained their size through traction, VED, PAV cocktail, supplements and or certain surgeries as well.

And the gerneral knowledge gained trhoubh this helps to keep people aware of their penile health long term and take much better care of themselves to optimize penile health after as well.

Some people need implants and if I had severe enough ED or risked losing permenant size I would absolutely hope on myself. But that doesn't seem to always be the case. And there are new treatments around the corner which could help restore function to people who have damaged tunica's as well. By placing healthy tissue and removed the diseased tissue which is different then a regular grafting procedure as well.

There is no turning back from an Implant and they need to have repeat surgeries with them as well. And the second you do it there is no turning back. You can't get that tissue you removed back again. I would only consider it If there was a threat of permenant size loss for myself . Or I had a venous leak that made me have no other options for ED.

I think they also empathize tracking progress and measurements on the forum because that's how you know you are making progress, and if treatments are working. And if you're getting worse, or things turn south. Having the money saved and then going inplant then could be a good option B. Its just a major surgery that you can't go back from is all.

[Hawk]

There are some issues in this topic that I would have to call misinformation.  As such they would impact your decision.

Peyronies Disease is NOT always progressive with flare-ups.
An implant does NOT interfere with daily physical activity.  after healing you ride trail or dirt bikes, do mixed martial arts, weight training or anything else you did before the implant.

There are other drawbacks that were listed.  As pro-implant as I am, I would not recommend an implant to a young man that could have satisfying intercourse ESPECIALLY if he had not even given his Peyronies Disease a chance to settle down and stabilize.  

[melting]

Your logic is totally human. An implant seems like an easy solution where you don't have to personally do something. It's implanted for you. And it seems to work for many..

I remember mulling over surgery and implants when I couldn't use my dick years ago, in my 20's. Now I'm fully functional and have basically a better functioning Penis than before ca. 6 years later. Achieved that via transdermal applications, extending and pumping.
I think I choose that route cause an operation creates a lot of fear in me. Man, the pics of grafting surgeries.. I feel like there's always a huge risk to surgery, you need a good doc for example.

I probably invested some hundreds of hours of researching, hundreds of days with cremes on my dick, using an extender for several hours a day for many months, Pumping daily. Doing all kinds of Penis exercises like someone training their muscles in the gym for mister universe. Was it worth it? I think yes and I still have some faulty tissue in my penis.. What I did could be done in a lot more effective way but it takes a lot of time and personal investment, discipline etc.

So, I would say No, not everyone should "just get an implant" but for many it might be the most viable and logical option.

[TonySa]

Which transdermal applications were you doing?

[melting]

DMSO + Ascorbic acid, Iodine, Vit E, PABA, ALC, magnesium, ACV, castor/olive oil.

Sometimes multiple combined or only 2. As often as possible applied.(of course informed about the risks of DMSO etc.)
Plaque softened rather fast but would harden again if application paused for days. Continuous application decreased size slowly.

[Stratt_mat1]

Your logic is totally human. An implant seems like an easy solution where you don't have to personally do something. It's implanted for you. And it seems to work for many..

I remember mulling over surgery and implants when I couldn't use my dick years ago, in my 20's. Now I'm fully functional and have basically a better functioning Penis than before ca. 6 years later. Achieved that via transdermal applications, extending and pumping.
I think I choose that route cause an operation creates a lot of fear in me. Man, the pics of grafting surgeries.. I feel like there's always a huge risk to surgery, you need a good doc for example.

I probably invested some hundreds of hours of researching, hundreds of days with cremes on my dick, using an extender for several hours a day for many months, Pumping daily. Doing all kinds of Penis exercises like someone training their muscles in the gym for mister universe. Was it worth it? I think yes and I still have some faulty tissue in my penis.. What I did could be done in a lot more effective way but it takes a lot of time and personal investment, discipline etc.

So, I would say No, not everyone should "just get an implant" but for many it might be the most viable and logical option.

That's great to hear and congrats on that, just curious do you have any size loss still, or did you regain all of that either what you did?  

[TonySa]

Melting, would you describe the improvement you saw?  Decrease in curvature for 30 to 5 degrees, increase in girth from 5 to 5.5", increase in length by .5", etc?  

[melting]

Stratt_mat1, TonySa,

I couldn't get an erection without pain. Severe hourglassing at 2 sites and bends I would describe as twisted, up at one site and down and to the side on the other. Hard to put in ° degrees. I couldn't keep an erection.

I could palpate the plaques deep inside easily. Not sitting atop the Tunica or in the upper Tunica layers but more on the underside of the tunica, inside towards the smooth muscle chambers.

I think I was around 6 inches long and 5.25 girth in the middle before I got the plaques. During the most active phase I had no erection to measure. I then did the whole transdermal thing and used traction and pumping and other "penis enlargement" techniques for years. I'm now around 7.5 x 5.75. I can still palpate very small plaques and have a very slight hinge at one site.

Most of the length I got via extender traction, some manual stretching and pumping. Traction daily at some point with high intensity for 5+ hours, many months. Lot's of time invested. Kinda crazy.

That's why I'm back here focusing to totally get rid of the plaques. Applying my new transdermal mix multiple times a day.  

[Stratt_mat1]

Stratt_mat1, TonySa,

I couldn't get an erection without pain. Severe hourglassing at 2 sites and bends I would describe as twisted, up at one site and down and to the side on the other. Hard to put in ° degrees. I couldn't keep an erection.

I could palpate the plaques deep inside easily. Not sitting atop the Tunica or in the upper Tunica layers but more on the underside of the tunica, inside towards the smooth muscle chambers.

I think I was around 6 inches long and 5.25 girth in the middle before I got the plaques. During the most active phase I had no erection to measure. I then did the whole transdermal thing and used traction and pumping and other "penis enlargement" techniques for years. I'm now around 7.5 x 5.75. I can still palpate very small plaques and have a very slight hinge at one site.

Most of the length I got via extender traction, some manual stretching and pumping. Traction daily at some point with high intensity for 5+ hours, many months. Lot's of time invested. Kinda crazy.

That's why I'm back here focusing to totally get rid of the plaques. Applying my new transdermal mix multiple times a day.

Wow that's awesome man, glad to hear. I know people can lengthen their penis without Peyronies to a bigger girth and length. But I personally would never advise anyone to do that unless suffering from Peyronies. Because it's also a way you can develop Peyronies or ED if you aren't careful or injure yourself doing it. imo a non Peyronies perfectaly functional penis is not worth risking damage to gain a slightly better aesthetic look. My goal is to just keep my penis it's normal pre injury size and avoid permenant damage with all the therapies I am doing thanks to this awesome board and support of all you great people. I personally don't need to see before and after pics myself. But do you have any for others that might want to see that? I think anyone that makes serious progress like that should absolutely document and photograph it to motivate others and show people what's possible with the right apporach and treatment for oneself.    

[melting]

Stratt_mat1, that makes sense. Lot's of people injury themselves with Penis enlargement.

There are no pictures from during the worst time. I have pictures from before that and after. My name on PE forums is dickerschwanz incl. pics on my profiles and log threads, (thundersplace, pegym).

[Hawk]

I think I was around 6 inches long and 5.25 girth in the middle before I got the plaques. ... I'm now around 7.5 x 5.75. I can still palpate very small plaques and have a very slight hinge at one site.

Did I read this correctly?  Are you telling us that you gained 1 1/2" OVER YOUR NATURAL PRE-PEYRONIES LENGTH and GAINED OVER YOUR NATURAL GIRTH

If so, I find that next to impossible to believe.

Hawk

[Stratt_mat1]

Did I read this correctly?  Are you telling us that you gained 1 1/2" OVER YOUR NATURAL PRE-PEYRONIES LENGTH and GAINED OVER YOUR NATURAL GIRTH

If so, I find that next to impossible to believe.

Hawk

I have heard of that happening on other forums I have come across with people who were doing penis weights. Though I think the risks there far outweigh the benefits. If you have a perfectly functional penis I don't know why you would try and mess with it. Human nature to never be fully satisfied I suppose lol  

[Stratt_mat1]

Stratt_mat1, that makes sense. Lot's of people injury themselves with Penis enlargement.

There are no pictures from during the worst time. I have pictures from before that and after. My name on PE forums is dickerschwanz incl. pics on my profiles and log threads, (thundersplace, pegym).

Awesome its great to see proof that these things are possible. Helps avoid the doom and gloom mindset for many who think they are going to never be back to what they were before. Myself included as a worry when I started developing issues. Keep in mind I was worried of this WITH treatment. Doing nothing you leave fate to open air of course.  

[melting]

Stratt_mat1, oh yeah I got really depressed. Actually I was depressed while it happened, bad health too. Then I got angry after visiting the docs and then really really defiant. No necessarily optimistic But you need to get some energy up to get forward no matter what it is.

Did I read this correctly?  Are you telling us that you gained 1 1/2" OVER YOUR NATURAL PRE-PEYRONIES LENGTH and GAINED OVER YOUR NATURAL GIRTH

Yes. Too bad I have none from during the worst Peyronies Disease times. Left side is maybe 10 years ago after some months of PE and right side is a year ago(I gained some since then). My journey is well documented across several PE forums.
https://i.imgur.com/75PMPrf.jpg (NSFW dick pic!)
There are many cases where people gained a lot more with picture proof. Stretching and enlarging tissue is possible.
I invested a lot of time with some breaks but many invest a lot more into it. Of course if you check out PE forums many people get injuries cause they're doing it wrong but if you do it the right way, with Peyronies Disease treatments along, you could overcome peyronies and get a stronger dick. I got really into it after I decided to fight the Peyronies Disease.  
Now I'm getting rid of the remains of the nodules and then call it a day..

[Hawk]

I have been on PE forums.  I have seen far more people come here with Peyronies Disease and ED from injuries and loss of size than I have with any documented proof of gaining an 1 1/2" over their natural length.

[melting]

Initial small gains, like 1cm, can be rather easy and a lot of people report that but beyond that it takes years. 0.25 inches a year is great for "veterans". And that's a constant routine with more time investment than Mr. Universe body builders lol.

Injury forums of PE forums are more frequented than success forums, true.
The problem is people rushing it without being conditioned. I always warmed up and ramped up slowly every exercise. I can do some crazy stuff now that would've broken me years ago. That's why I say my dick is stronger than before.

[TonySa]

Traction and VED with protocols as on here are one thing but anything else has resulted in ED and peyronies for many men.  They've posted here from time to time.

[melting]

I agree Tony, then again I also often see recommendations from docs in using traction and VED in ways that are not able to change the tissue. Sure they're on the safe side but nowhere to solve the problem. Self responsibility is a basic to go about anything that one does with self treatment and prevents one from injuries.

[P1992]

Melting,

Can you tell us the percentage of ingredients to make cream you use and how many applications do you do? How long have you been using this treatment?

[melting]

P1992,-> https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,12587.msg115817.html