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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2010, 12:46:49 AM »

As an update on 7/2/10 -5 verapamil injections did not work for me at all.  Rather, my curvature increased during the series of injections by a significant amount (30-50 more degrees upward, roughly), and I lost more length (about 3/4") and hourglassing was not improved at all.  Based on comparing pictures and measurements, it seems to have gotten worse.  I havent edited anything in what I originally wrote below because I think people may read the same articles and reach the same conclusions that I did during March-June.  However, I (personally) would absolutely not recommend these injections before trying the VED or FastSize with Viagra, Arganine, and Penox.  I don't know anyone on this board who is even an advocate of these injections...and there are a lot of people here with a lot of different kinds of Peyronies Disease stages & treatments.

Hey Comebackid,

I totally understand and basically agree with you & what others have said (and the shots are not exactly a fun experience).  I am concerned about the additional trauma.  Dr. Levine & the doctor I am currently seeing in my local area both seem to feel that the trauma is essentially "controlled"  and the medicine can change the healing process vs. what may have happened when I had my first injury.  I know that's not the experience of everyone here & it may not even be mine in the end.  And to your point, the reason for my post was my concern over the trauma in this injection - which seems more firm/localized than previous injections that were more fluid and diffuse when healing.

Anyway, all that being said, the main reason why I am doing it is here...and I added emphasis on the things that "sold" me essentially.  

http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v14/n5/full/3900917a.html

"Of the 14 men who entered the study, 91% had resolution of pain, 42% had objective decrease in curvature, 58% had improved erectile dysfunction (ED), and 100% reported increased penile girth. "

and out of another sample of 150~,  "Increase in girth was reported by 83%, 80% described an increase in rigidity distal to the plaque,"

I never had that much girth to begin with, and Peyronies Disease took another 1/2" in circumfrence (at least) past the plaque...and that area does not get as hard anymore.  So, it looks narrow and curved like the tail of a cocktail shrimp coming out of a shell.  If I can just gain the girth back with these shots, I will be happy.  Dr. Levine & others have said to go to 6 and then wait a few weeks - then see how things go.  If after 6, nothing changes, I can stop.   I know the sample sizes in these studies are not huge... and I may not benefit - but the people who got girth back seem to be in the majority.  Have you seen that paper before?  What were your thoughts on it?  I'm basing my decision pretty much entirely on that paper...and at this point I have 2 more to go & then another ultrasound.

I asked my doc about xiaflex & it's basically under lock & key right now for hand surgeons only who have also taken a special training course & registered with the company.  This has probably been discussed elsewhere, but the mfr is not risking any off-label use that might hurt their FDA approval for Peyronies Disease (if someone has a bad side effect from a urologist injecting off-label).  No urologist can get their hands on it at the moment.  It might be a few years off - by which time I might have calcified plaques.  Right now, I think my plaque is not calcified (in the majority).  The ultrasound showed a small spot that did seem calcified on one of the plaques...so, it's starting.  

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2010, 07:38:53 PM »

I wouln't push my luck with my only penis.  I still have yet to see one study that shows any kind of verapamil works with peyronies.  In my opinion if I'm going to subject my penis to bruising from injections, its going to be from xiaflex after it is showing it at least moderately works.  I would quit the verapamil injections as you could make it worse, inflammation and swelling is never good.  I and many others have straightened and gained back size from the VED alone, I've also heard good reports from the penis extenders.  I would just do that and scrap the injections!!

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 05:07:06 PM »

I had my 4th shot and I notice that in addition to the bruising, this time the swollen area is very firm... it's not like fluid-filled as it typically is.  This makes me kind of nervous because it almost feels like the softer parts of the plaque...and it's a very large area (not really over the plaque - just below the head - there is like a ring of this firm / purple colored area). 

Last time, I was able to resume FastSize at 3 days post - injection...this time, I don't see how I even could w/ the tissue there.  He really wants me to keep using FastSize, and I tend to agree given that I lost over an inch so far.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2010, 09:49:27 AM »

lol yes things were good. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 08:58:44 PM »

So I assume the brusing was gone before your trip to Europe   Wink
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2010, 08:27:14 PM »

For any future readers of this thread - they were gone w/in 5 days...same as chiguy... was extremely fast.  I read that putting heat on the area helps, so i did that for 15 min 3x a day. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 05:08:09 PM »

Yeah, it was fantastic... cant wait for more... !  The bruises started to fade...maybe in a little while, they will be completely gone -- the area where the needle went in was particularly dark
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 11:12:10 PM »


You probably had 5. One to induce the the erection, one to resolve it. These are both done with a small guage needle.

for the numbing you usually get 2 injections, one on each side at the base of the penis. Also done with a small guage needle. Then the Verapamil injection which is done with a larger guage needle.

So yes.... your little friend feels and looks pretty well beat up after this.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 05:17:38 PM »

I noticed I am sort of sore today... I'm guessing this is normal ?  I had 4 injections... 1 to induce erection before the ultrasound, 1 to reduce the erection, 1 to numb the penis (probably several- i wasn't looking) and then 1 in the plaque with verapamil...

So, today there is an ache... i guess i shouldn't be surprised but just wanted to check if others felt this way.

And you were right les, it is more black & blue now.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 05:57:36 AM »

A simple or minor bruise is nothing more than blood leaking out of the capillary bed and into the space outside the blood vessels.  In medical terms, it is a hematoma; blood outside of the blood vessels and into the extra cellular or interstitial space.  We know the penis is very vascular, so puncturing it with a needle is going to result in blood leaking out.  Bruises "heal" as the hemoglobin naturally deteriorates into other compounds that are re-absorbed.  Most minor bruises are gone within two weeks.

Applying ice is good because it constricts the blood vessels, which reduces the blood leakage through the needle-caused openings.

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 09:37:23 PM »

I don't know that "more" blood flows through the penis or that it even flows faster. The rate would be the same as the rest of the body. And of course much of the blood in/out flow would be during an erection. All of which most blood flow is in/out of the corporas. Your bruising is in the Tunica and the thin layer of skin that covers the Tunica. I still think it will clear up in a few days, but I can't explain why it would clear up any faster here than any other part of the body. I suppose due to the fact that the Tunica is generally a thinner piece of tissue might lead to this.

Yes I  went to Levine and I would quickly recommend anyone to go see him. He will tell you that about 60% of his patients respond favorably to a combination of VI's, Pentox, and stretching therapy. I was in the 40% that it didn't help. So I eventually ended up having excision and grafting surgery that was very successful.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 09:30:11 PM »

Thanks so much Les.  That really helps.  I am hopeful that things will be cleared up by that time...that would be ideal.  The penis has so much blood inflow & outflow, that i think a bruse *should* clear up faster than a bruise on a leg or something... which has less blood flow like the penis. However, it's just a theory.   I once had a black eye for 3 mos... it was unbelievable... and embarassing.  I have no idea how it got so deep or if it's even remotely related to how soon this will go away.  I am hoping these injections will not be as deep and serious as that black eye was. 

How have your results been w/ your injections?  Did you see Levine as well?  Thanks again Les!
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 09:24:01 PM »

yep...   I had a series of 6 injections. I was black and blue for a couple of days each time. I kept ice on my groin off and on for the afternoon following the injections. I had a 3 hour drive home each time and pretty much kept an ice pack on the whole way. It will look it's worse the day following the injection. All was clear by about the 5th day each time however.

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« on: March 10, 2010, 09:08:33 PM »

I had my injections today... based on my case and the ultrasound, we decided to try this... but I have two really bad bruises now.  I applied pressure for 5 min after the injection but now, 4 hrs later, the bruises are getting pretty bad.  One is right by a needle stick near the plaque and is tiny but deep purple. Then, I have another one that is much much larger and red... lower on the shaft - nowhere near the injection.  Should I put ice on this?  Heat? 

To be perfectly honest, I am traveling in a week to see someone in Europe who I've had an on / off thing with for 2 yrs and this is really not something I want to have in a week.  I dont think the dark purple one will be gone but the big red one might have more hope... anyone get bruised after these injections and have any experience with when it goes away or how to accelerate it?

I am "MikeSmith" but for some reason I cant log in so I made "Mikesmith2" - I will try to post from my other computer that has the cookie tomorrow.
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