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I was the patient of a so-called "expert" on Peyronie's in Montreal, and he recommended a device that I have since looked up on this website and discovered to be terrible. I've looked at the other devices that most of you guys recommend, and many of them are north of 400$ CAD. I am not sure I have the funds to cover such an expense. Are there any devices that are more affordable, which can promise similar results? I'm nearing my ninth month into the disease, and I'm worried I won't be able to purchase and use a traction device in time to take advantage of its effects.
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2018, 03:22:08 PM »

Hi, what are your symptoms?
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2018, 03:40:59 PM »

I think it is difficult to argue that traction from one device or method does not equal traction from another device or method.  So, if all traction is the same, what are the variables?
1. Safety - a device must not have sharp surfaces, must not break under tension, and preferably have spring tension so springs will absorb some of the sudden stress of changing positions
2. Comfort - if a device is comfortable you will wear it longer and enjoy life more as you wear it. Some employ straps, nooses, vacuum cups, some all 3.
3. Durability - if it costs $200 and breaks in a month you saved nothing
4. Concealability -  if you can wear it with normal clothes you might wear it more.

Regardless of whether you pull on your penis by hand, with vacuum, or a strap - whether the resistance is rod, springs, weight, or muscle.  The result will be the same if the tension and the time is the same.

Buy an inexpensive device and you may pay to replace it but then again maybe not.  There are even plans for a homemade device somewhere on this site.

Good luck
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PS: I used the X4 Labs device but it was not cheap.
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2018, 03:47:19 PM »

Agreed with Hawk!

From what you say, I'd tell you to order the ESL40: cheap, durable, confy, easy to use, totally invisible under clothes. The tension force is not great, but you can wear it for like 7 hours a day, so it does work (well, at least it does do what a traction device is supposed to do; to what extent will it work on you, this is something neither me nor you can tell: you'll have to try for at least 3 months!).
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2018, 04:16:39 PM »

Monty: I'll copy-paste my summary from another thread.

"After quitting porn, I'm suffering less and less erectile dysfunction. My dents and bending are pretty severe when flaccid, but quite minor when erect. I'm still freaking out over the cumulative reduction in girth (the dents seem to chip away fractions of a centimeter here and there, which may, where they coincide along the shaft, equate to a total reduction that is significant). It has continued to progress, through what I assume is re-injury through masturbation. Avoiding porn addiction relapse and masturbation has proven incredibly difficult for me. Normal sex is neither painful nor difficult."

To be specific, I have two shallow hourglasses, one near the base, and one beneath the tip. The hourglass band near the base overlaps with a dent on the right, and the band near the tip overlaps with a nigh-invisible dent on the left. I may also have a feint hourglass or bend beneath the base of the shaft, on the right hand side. It's hard to tell, because it's not visible, however it becomes obvious when my penis leans that way during various stages of engorgement (as well as sometimes when flaccid). Finally, I have a <5 degree bend when erect. The left-side bend and sub-base, right-side bend are the two "original" injuries that occurred almost exactly 8 months ago. Everything else has appeared only in the last 3-4 months, after a brief period of intense masturbation during an anxious breakdown (I assume).

All these defects are hard to see, except the leftwards bend, during erection. I've asked sexual partners to take a look, and often, they can't even tell, despite having seen my penis multiple times. If there's an appropriate place on the forum, I can post pictures in order to get some feedback on treatment.

Gabriel: What do you mean when you say it lacks tension? Is tension the key to results? I'd hate to get a device that offers only token function.

I might as well say while I'm here that, because my most severe symptoms are hourglassing, I'd like to get a VED under the same limitations. I looked at many of the most-recommended VEDs, and again, they're out of my budget.

Honestly, I'm panicked and skeptical. If these devices are most effective in the acute phase, I've already wasted a lot of that time letting the scar tissue develop. That cannot be rolled back. From my understanding, glancing at the studies, traction provides best results when used early in the acute phase, as it actively discourages scar tissue from continuing to form. On top of this, I am getting confusingly variable impressions from reading forum posts. Many people claim that VED and traction results are only temporary. I am not sure why I would want to spend all this money, or even bother trying to treat Peyronie's by way of anything but abstinence, if all the results require constant maintenance. As far as I'm concerned, a solution that doesn't become permanent is not one worth pursuing.
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2018, 04:29:50 PM »


I might as well say while I'm here that, because my most severe symptoms are hourglassing, I'd like to get a VED under the same limitations. I looked at many of the most-recommended VEDs, and again, they're out of my budget.

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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2018, 05:42:50 PM »

Per your link, Hawk:
>I like what I do to make sense, and so for me the "stretching" hypothesis makes a tad more sense physiologically than does the "hypoxia" hypothesis.

This is what concerns me. If I'm stretching tissue, it will eventually again contract. That means constant maintenance, and no true gains.

Meanwhile, the studies I've seen on rats indicate that perhaps, if done early enough (whereas it is now probably too late for me at 8 months in), traction discourages the inflammation and encourages injured tissue to be replaced with healthy, functional tissue, instead of scarring
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2018, 06:06:30 PM »

I disagree that your gains cannot be permanent.  Often burn victims are stretched to prevent contracture during scarring.  There might be some chance you would have to maintain a few hours per week laying in bed but I think the gains a pretty stable.
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2018, 04:07:10 AM »

Hey concerned,

There is still no consensus about what makes the success of traction, but from the studies and anecdotical evidence we have here, two things are absolutely certain:
- Duration matters: the more you wear it, the greater the results.
- It does work to prevent greater loss of length and maybe girth (that does not mean you'll lose nothing, that means you'll always lose less when on daily traction than without it; I can speak from experience).

Plus, don't freak out about the time you would have lost: I myself used traction quickly after my Peyronies Disease declared, and it did not prevent me at all to develop a big scar tissue from a small original lump. BUT, in 13 months, I am positively sure that the periods where I have not been on traction are the ones were I lost most length. That does not mean you have to apply a crazy traction force to preserve your junk (even if the recent RestoreX seems to work that way... do a quick research, you'll see), but that you have to apply a steady force, taking in account that it does not have to be painful.

So, if money is a problem, I really suggest you try the ESL40 (cf. my first post for the specs). The pulling force can actually be set to a high level, but as it will vary along the day when you move your legs (walk, sit, run...), it has to be set to mild/normal in order to avoid huge dangerous spikes, for instance if you have to run to catch the bus...
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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2018, 04:22:14 PM »

I have been doing manual traction daily since a week after my injury (I've been injured since January 2018) and I've lost almost zero length. I have lost girth, but I believe that keeping my length came from traction. When it comes to girth, VED is your best friend, but I would either a) be on Pentox or b) be in the chronic phase before using VED.

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Re: Affordable traction devices that are still comfortable and effective?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 09:48:47 AM »

Hi
I'm fairly new to this forum and fairly new to discovering reviews for all day stretchers. I have just bought a cheap suction cup device from eBay for $35 had it about 4 days now. I bought the large suction cup 42 mm and when you pull the pump it has the most severe tightness but not uncomfortable fit. You can strap it to the side around your waist in the opposite direction of your curve. Or as I have done tonight down the leg. It's comfortable enough so far to wear for 4 hours at a time I have only about 15 % of curvature to eradicate. Plus a longer tendon on my right side that makes my penis deviate to the left when fully erect. So far so good the cheap one seems fine atm
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 03:10:55 PM »

Is it the ESL-40?
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2018, 10:22:39 AM »

No it's not that one. I just googled that and the strap doesn't look very comfortable. Mine seems to have many vendors selling the same type. With different name' master penis stretcher etc. One of the sellers is tfd-tech Feedback Score (11893) I just noticed his is even cheaper. You just need the blue cup pick your size plus the waist belt which can be halved for a leg strap. And the small suction pump. To suck out the air from the cup and silicone sleeve
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 04:46:55 PM »

Ok, found them-glad to here there’s other useable inexpensive traction options!
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 01:36:36 AM »

No problemo, I wore mine to bed last night for 6 hours. The pain of the stretch on my penis ligaments made me eventually take it off. I'm using a bit less tension today.
When you get it make sure your glans is totally sucked into the cup. A 1 ml air gap will cause blisters. I got a small one the first day, nearly gone now though. The suction cup squashed it back into place on the second use.
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