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Re: Ketogenic Diet - Progress and Updates
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2018, 07:51:56 AM »

I don't have the book anymore as it gone when my computer blowup some 11 years ago.
Sadly I had just partial backup, just for important technical things.
If I remember correct, the book end was full with testimonies of people that were successful following the book, but I don't remember studies, just some studies regarding the supplements he advised.
The 48+ water diet I made just a few times because I shared my time between office and field work. And all this was pre-Peyronies.

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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2018, 08:19:40 AM »

A few weeks back there were some posts exchanged regarding adding carbs before exercise. I was adding a small amount before a run knowing I would burn them off fairly early. This was in response to a couple of bad runs without carbs where I struggled to finish.

So this is an update for those managing exercise and keto; I am closing in on 3 months being in keto and building up my distance. The last two Sunday runs were 18 kilometers and on both occasions I did not take in any carbs and had no issues with energy and felt like I had gas in the tank at the end. This was also after 16 hours of fasting....after a very low carb dinner.

So, is my body adapting to being in keto?

oh yes, my ketones were at 4.0 mmol/l after too.

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Re: Ketogenic Diet - Progress and Updates
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2018, 05:17:07 PM »

Wow, that's great news zipolite! It seems like your body has adjusted to ketosis, I'm very happy for you! How long were your runs pre-keto as a comparison?

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2018, 06:41:34 AM »

Hello guys!

Back on track after a sudden and quite long hospitalisation for a severe colitis (lol... nothing to do with Peyronies Disease I guess ?). Very weird by the way: ever since I quit smoking and follow a good diet (more than one year now), I have never been sick!

Well, anyways, guys, Birdman, Neo, Js, Zipolite and everyone, thanks a lot for keeping this fascinating thread so dynamic. I just read your answers with great interest and pleasure!

By the way, how bad was all your adaptation to keto? I mean the keto flu thing, exhaustion, depression & irritability symptoms, etc.: is reasonably possible to consider switching to keto during a week of work, or would you rather wait for vacation/long weekend??
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« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2018, 06:13:52 AM »

Hi Gabriel, all,

For me the adaption was rough, then really rough, then rough...but now is great.  I had keto flu, then the keto headache for two days really bad...with some others off and on.  I would say I had some aspects of adapting for 3 weeks...

But since the last two weeks I have been feeling good (except when I cheated a little and ate a piece of Thanksgiving pie...but I really wanted to see how I felt and how fast I got back into ketosis).

And like the others, I have tons of energy during the day, my workouts are back to full blast (or even more)...  When it‘s time for sleep, I am out, and then I am getting up earlier and earlier full of energy.  I feel like a new person.

As for my peyronies...I would say that the progress of reduction has slowed, but at least the pain is gone and it doesn‘t seem to be getting worse.  Maybe I am just getting out of the acute phase and it isn‘t the result of the keto diet...  But, I am just happy there seems to be some progress...or at least less/no worsening...

My ketones are now more than 1.2 always, often over 3, and even more if I eat enough fat during the day/evening.  I am really learning new recipes that are amazing and even Thanksgiving was very Keto friendly.  Other than the slice of apple pie...but I ate it.  Then had a stomach ache and later my restless legs was back (it has been gone since keto)...

So, I keep going...  Monitoring glucose and ketones every morning...tracking it all.  Not looking back and missing the „bad“ stuff less and less every day. 

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Re: Ketogenic Diet - Progress and Updates
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2018, 06:19:38 AM »

When you've really settled into keto, I suggest trying a 2-3 day fast.

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« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2018, 03:24:52 PM »

Skunkworks: that’s what I plan on doing when once I’m adpated for a while
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« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2018, 03:56:02 PM »

OK. I will try a 2-3 day fast next week...
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« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2018, 07:05:32 AM »

Just completed a 40 hour fast and it is surprising how easy it was.  And the lumps seem to be smaller than before so I will continue this on a weekly basis.  Very interesting improvement.

Keto / Glucose numbers during the fast are amazing...  Feel great and able to make good workouts too.
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« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2018, 04:24:36 PM »

Wow, the lumps decreased in size off of one 40 hour fast? And in terms of difficulty, it seems like fasting is WAY easier than anyone expects.

patriot, I would experiment with fasting now if I were you; no need to wait until you are fat adapted. It does not make a difference. Search "Snake Diet" the man behind it knows what he's doing even though he's a little annoying.

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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2018, 02:37:53 PM »

I may have been overly optimistic as my girlfriend says it feels about the same...  But in any case, I will keep it up. 

I think the ability to fast at will for up to 48 hours can come in handy...  It was amazing how hungry I was not...and how much energy I still had. 
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« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2018, 09:07:29 AM »

JS: i really want to. But I got very skinny on keto and IF. I’m doing both at the same time and I’ve thinned our a lot. Neo told me this would happen. I have people telling me I look very skinny. I don’t want to get even more skinny. That’s why I want to wait till I’m adapted and not as thin. I’m gonna make a post sharing what happens throughout my journey
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« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2018, 02:52:41 PM »

Hello guys!

As nothing seems to take me out of the acute phase and as I am still doing my hormonal treatment for other problems, I have been taking a break off the forum and Peyronie thoughts until I can try going full keto in a few weeks/months.

So just to tell you I'm very glad to see this thread going on, and all the progress Birdman and Zipo are reporting; you're keeping hope alive guys, thanks a lot and congratulations for your achievements!!

Take care and never give up :-),

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« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2018, 06:46:52 PM »

Hello guys, i see that you're experimenting a cure with diet. That's great.
But i'm sorry to say that, IMHO, this is not really a "scientifical method": what i mean is that you have to measure plaque reduction with an ultrasound. That's the only way to know if it is really bigger, smaller, or it is the same. I think that this would be the correct way to make science.

I just gave my opinion, i think that it is GREAT that someone here is experimenting,i really appreciate your will.
A question: anyone else tried keto diet? Did it work to improve your plaque / Erectile Dysfunction / Curvature?

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« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2018, 10:43:52 PM »

Here is a study on men with Diabetes and Peyronie's, their plaques got smaller when they treated their diabetes.
-----Improvement of chronic Peyronie's disease symptoms after diabetic compensation: a retrospective study. (2013)

Insulin directly increases tgf-beta receptors on cell surfaces, and is therefore thought to cause fibrosis. Avoiding insulin spikes is key to slow aging and fibrosis.
-----The insulin response integrates increased TGF-β signaling through Akt-induced enhancement of cell surface delivery of TGF-β receptors.

Pre-diabetics have higher tgf-beta levels.
Regulation of transforming growth factor-β1 by insulin in prediabetic African Americans

Insulin also lowers nitric oxide, which is why those with hyperinsulinemia (prediabetic state, not shown by a standard blood test), get more heart disease and cancer and fibrosis.
-----High Glucose Inhibits Insulin-stimulated Nitric Oxide Production without Reducing Endothelial Nitric-oxide Synthase Ser1177 Phosphorylation in Human Aortic Endothelial Cells

I may not use the word cure, but it is the only logical preventative dietary measure I can think of.

This is only scratching the surface of many other studies I have compiled.
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« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2018, 08:45:35 PM »

The diet and potential impact all make sense, but I’m still watching for measureable progress beyond smaller plaques.  Ie, smaller plaques that resulted in measureably reduced bends and/or hourglassing/dents.
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« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2018, 11:59:48 PM »

It'd probably work something like an icecube though, for palpable plaques. The bigger it is the slower it melts.

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« Reply #67 on: Yesterday at 05:00:06 AM »

Some advice for those suffering keto flu: a 48 hour WATER ONLY (or snake juice) fast should clear it right up. My belief is that keto flu comes from flirting with ketosis and forcing it via fasting will result in a more intense 12 hour flu followed by zero symptoms and the ability to follow the diet without having to deal with keto flu. Let me know if that helps any of you!

Also, once you are 2-3 days into a fast you stop being hungry if you have fat on you to burn. Headaches and muscle cramps can be dealt with via snake juice (electrolytes/salts/water). Look up snake diet on youtube (more a fasting regimen than a diet), that is the path I've decided to follow, and I'm going to end it with a one meal a day carnivore diet. The guy than started the diet curses and yells and I didn't like him at first but he actually really knows his stuff, in my opinion. Super legit.

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« Reply #68 on: Yesterday at 11:03:15 AM »

what i mean is that you have to measure plaque reduction with an ultrasound. That's the only way to know if it is really bigger, smaller, or it is the same. I think that this would be the correct way to make science.

I agree completely...  Any ideas how to get my hands on a ultrasound machine?
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