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« on: August 19, 2018, 08:03:19 AM »

Hello guys,

Even if this is not a best-seller on the forum, I stubbornly continue my experimentations with vegetal and essential oils^^!

I think I ended up finding a good mix that:
- Totally suppresses pain in flaccid state;
- Reduces 80% of hard flaccids throughout the day;
- Might help softening the plaque (mine have softened a great lot, but it can be due to other factors so I'm not actually claiming anything).

So, the ingredients and their properties (thoroughly tested and approved by myself) are the following:
- Tanacetum annuum EO (suppresses hard flaccid, greatly reduces pain, greatly promotes blood flow): 7ml
- Eucalyptus citriodora EO (greatly reduces pain): 7ml
- Chamaemelum nobile EO (greatly reduces pain): 3ml
- Combava EO (reduces pain): 3ml
- Frankincense EO (reduces pain and hard flaccid, promotes blood flow): 5ml
- Myrrh EO (reduces pain and hard flaccid, promotes blood flow): 5ml
- Curcuma EO (full of potent antioxidants that might be very beneficial, but that is just a guess): 5ml
- Roseship VO (promotes good collagen and greatly enhance EO's penetrating properties): 20ml

--> So, basically you pour all these oils in a 100ml glass opaque bottle with a pipette, shake it, and keep it in a cool and shady place. You apply 10 to 15 drops on your junk, massage it 30 seconds, then add a good amount of one of these vegetals oil (I personnally use a different one for each day or session) and massage again for 1 minute or more:
- Emu VO (skin repairing, supposed penetrating properties);
- Castor VO (skin repairing, supposed penetrating properties, antioxydant, instantly but not permanently suppresses hard flaccid);
- Olive VO (skin repairing, antioxydant);
- Wheat germ VO (supposed to contain a huge amount of antioxydants);
- Greapefruit seed VO (skin repairing, antioxydant);
- Arnica VO (skin repairing AND efficient anti-inflammatory + painkiller);
- Calophyllium brasiliense VO (skin repairing, promotes blood flow, anti-inflammatory, protects blood vessels).

--> Apply this two (morning and night) to three times a day, allowing the mixture to dry a little for 5 minutes without touching/putting clothes on, and HF + pain while flaccid will almost certainly be gone. As I said, this mixture might also have helped soften my plaques (that would not be illogical), but that I don't know and won't claim; anyway, I definitly think you should try it :-)!!

Last section: a few studies that guided and support my experimentations (I only indicate those in English, although I have found a lot more in French):
- Tanacetum annuum's chamazulene is a strong antioxydant and radical scavenger : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262882872_Antioxidant_and_radical_scavenging_activities_of_chamazulene
- Roseship oil enhances the penetration of other active substances, in particular those contained in EO: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41941173_Comparative_study_on_the_in_vitro_human_skin_permeation_of_monoterpenes_and_phenylpropanoids_applied_in_rose_oil_and_in_form_of_neat_single_compounds
- Frankincense and myrrh EO combined have strong anti-inflammatory properties: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4556964/#!po=72.0588

And that's it! I don't think I'll change my mix now, but if I happen to stumble on something new, I'll keep you up to date :-).

All the best!


TL;DR: A synergy of essential and vegetal oils, applied 3 times a day, suppresses hard flaccid and pain in flaccid state, and might help softening plaques; if you lack time/money/energy, you can just combine tanacetum annuum + eucalyptus citriodora + Emu oil to get 70% of the effect.
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2018, 09:39:21 AM »

Great post Gabriel!!!!
Which effects are you noticing in terms of EQ?
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 01:36:11 AM »

Thanks Hope!!

Well, about EQ it's very tricky for me to judge the efficiency of this or that apart from Cialis. I had indeed suffered from psychological (and maybe a little physical) erectile dysfunction for years before Peyronies Disease; then erectile dysfunction worsened (no night erections anymore, etc.), and 4 months later pain started and Peyronies Disease was diagnosed. Then, in a few months, Cialis and nofap gave me back night erections and even strong (albeit still painful) erections during sex. But I really don't know how it would go without Cialis, and I don't intend to experiment a stop, as this is one of the first-class daily oral treatment we should take  ;D.

That said, I definitly assume as logical that at the very least tanacetum annuum (and probably others) could reinforce erections for at least a little time after it has been applied: the "blood flow promoting" properties of this oil are not usurpated, as instantly visible when you apply it. But I won't risk any assertions or dubious scientific reasoning ^^!!
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 06:25:51 PM »

Great post, thank you!

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 04:18:09 PM »

are you sure none of these are estrogenic/anti-androgenic?
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2018, 06:09:29 AM »

That's a very good question Pey Ron; I asked myself the same thing at the beginning. So I did deeper researches, and asked my uros about the feature of these oils:

- Tanacetum annuum: cortison-like
- Frankincense: cortison-like
- Curcuma: neurotoxic
- Emu: maybe anti-DHT-like

--> All my uros told me there was no problem applying this to your junk. What actually still bothers me, is the helichrysum question: this EO is said and proven to have huge benefits on skin regeneration, but greatly promotes collagen production (great research, but in French: https://dumas.ccsd.cnrs.fr/dumas-00839947/document ; I also read here someone who mentioned a 2001 study I cannot find; see: Fasting / Healthy eating - Peyronies Society Forums).

So I'm still hesitating wheter incorporating to my mix or not... I think I'll go for it. What do you think guys ?
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2018, 07:00:33 PM »

Great list of EO and VO's Gabriel. I use Young Living essential oils for over 8 years and highly recommend them.(not cheap but one of purest organic oils out there) The only oil I started using for massage and masturbation is Castor Oil, but now that I've read more on EO's, I will try some along with a VED I am purchasing soon.

Thank you for posting your recipes.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2018, 07:53:17 AM »

Hey Prodigy,

Thanks a lot for your post and your advice!!

Castor oil is indeed one of my favourites, absolutely perfect for masturbation (not too often!), ointment, and lubrification of the VED!

Since I'm here, a little update on my situation: pain in erection is still decreasing, with ups and downs, but globally decreasing all the same. I can't tell what how EO, PRP and chance are respectively involved, but I hope things are going to improve so I'm FINALLY out of this acute phase.

Also, my starting of daily potassium bicarbonate coincided with a "down" in pain and general inflammation perception... Anyone had any experience with this substance??
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2018, 09:56:35 AM »

Also, my starting of daily potassium bicarbonate coincided with a "down" in pain and general inflammation perception... Anyone had any experience with this substance??


Is this for blood pressure control?, and doesn't it have laxative effects?

I use Sodium Bicarbonate with Apple Cider Vinegar = Sodium Acetate, makes my digestion terrific and seems to give mild pain relief all over  :), I think it helps rid bacterial infections, say SIBO for example.

An interesting take on Sodium is in the below link from which I have quoted this;

One way of looking at those facts is to see that a lack of sodium slows metabolism, lowers carbon dioxide production, and creates inflammation, stress and degeneration. Rephrasing it, sodium stimulates energy metabolism, increases carbon dioxide production, and protects against inflammation and other maladaptive stress reactions.

Salt, energy, metabolic rate, and longevity
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2018, 06:29:09 AM »

Hey Paolo!

Well, actually I'm taking potassium bicarbonate because:
1) I noticed that my pain/inflammation perception was quite down when I drank a lot of bicarbonated mineral water during the day (but concomitance is not causality, and I don't want to end up like the guy who claimed to have cured his Peyronies Disease with mineral water^^... Remember??);
2) So I made some research, and stumbled on these threads (http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,5071.0.html ; Baking Soda Study - Peyronies Society Forums) with this pertaining study about baking soda;
3) I made some more research about sodium and potassium bicarbonate, and went for potassium as it was said to help with other things that are relevant for me (reduces muscular cramps, enhances weight lifting...).

--> So far, I must say that the concomitance between taking potassium bicarb / maintaining pain on a low level continues. Still, it does not mean that potassium bicarb cures the pain, but I do intend to pursue the experiment for a few weeks (although I'm receiving another PRP/HA shot this afternoon, so it will be hard to attribute some progress to this or that during at least 2 weeks); and I do think some more folks who are in pain should give bicarbs a shot!

Anyway, thanks a lot for your advice and tips Paolo, very relevant as always! I didn't even know about SIBO, and it's true that I do have a quite lame transit for years now... I may try your SB + ACV mix in a little time! And, based on your article, do you advocate sodium bicarbonate more than potassium bicarbonate???

EDIT: sorry I forgot: yes, PB does have a laxative effect if taken on a emptyish stomach; if taken while eating, there's no problem!
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2018, 09:17:03 AM »

Hey Paolo!
Anyway, thanks a lot for your advice and tips Paolo, very relevant as always! I didn't even know about SIBO, and it's true that I do have a quite lame transit for years now... I may try your SB + ACV mix in a little time! And, based on your article, do you advocate sodium bicarbonate more than potassium bicarbonate???

Hi Gabriel, no not really advocating SB over PB per se, just interested in reactions of PB that's all.

Of course anyone considering sodium Bicarbonate should consider purchasing a cheap digital blood pressure arm monitor for reading systolic and diastolic pressure, this is generally a good idea anyway so you know what is 'your' normal BP  :)

For anyone concerned about intestinal health then I can recommend enteric coated Oregano oil capsules, one with each meal, very few 'bad' bacteria can live with this in circulation, I use NOW Foods OO as it contains 55% Carvacrol (the magic ingredient), Oregano oil is a fantastic antioxidant by the way  :)

Below are some interesting articles on Oregano oil precifically;
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S0003683811040181
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4903144/
Carvacrol has antimicrobial activity against 25 different periodontopathic bacteria and strains.

Because of its huge anti-bacterial effects I presume at some point I will need to cycle Carvacrol (good idea for most supplements)  :-\

Please update us in a Month or so how you feel supplementing PB is going, thanks.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2018, 11:14:30 AM »

Wow, very interesting study and facts about oregano! Thanks, Paolo!!

Being half-Italian, I already consume oregano on a weekly basis (love it); but maybe it could be worth increasing the quantity and going for the oil form... But the thing is, I seem to sometimes have strange reactions to so-called good natural products; for instance, I love garlic, and I often put some in my dishes, but 70% of the time I can't properly digest it and end up burping and farting all afternoon or night  ::)... So I guess it's all about personal gut flora?!!

Anyway, yep I'll keep you updated about PB, and might even create a proper topic about it in a few weeks :-)

PS: For some reason, didn't put my mixture yesterday night before going out... CLEARLY saw and felt the difference in terms of inflammation feeling, soreness and hard flaccid!!!
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2018, 04:25:22 AM »

Hey Paolo!
Anyway, thanks a lot for your advice and tips Paolo, very relevant as always! I didn't even know about SIBO, and it's true that I do have a quite lame transit for years now... I may try your SB + ACV mix in a little time! And, based on your article, do you advocate sodium bicarbonate more than potassium bicarbonate???

EDIT: sorry I forgot: yes, PB does have a laxative effect if taken on a emptyish stomach; if taken while eating, there's no problem!

Hey Gabriel, I've just started using Coriander (Cilantro) seeds as they are a source of Sodium and Potassium, per 100g that is 35mg Sodium vs 1267mg Potassium, wow  :)
I use a pestle and mortar to grind the seeds, I didn't realise what a powerhouse they are and very nice tasting. They are also very high fibre, the insoluble type so that could work out good for your 'slow' transit.
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2018, 10:47:24 AM »

Hey Paolo!

Thanks a lot for your post!! Actually, I already eat a LOT of coriander, I LOVE it!! But it's true I only eat leaves and not seeds... Maybe I should try eat!

Besides, I think I actually managed to improve, or even heal, my ancient transit issues (it was actually too fast, sorry I've not been clear). I cut off refined sugars, dairy, ready-to-eat dishes, caffeine and nicotine, followed a LCHF diet, and kept to a minimum level carbs & huge-quantities meal (I love to eat, and have a quite fast metabolism, so I'm kean on having food orgies). I also added chia seeds to most of my meals (excellent for Omega-3, protein and transit regulation), and eat a lot of veggies and fruits.

So far, it seems I have the best intestinal health I ever experienced in my life (I actually didn't think this was the normality). I can feel it's still fragile though, and a tiny deviation (a little alcohol, chocolate cake, etc.) can set me back... But I guess I found my equilibrium (would just like to lose these 2 last kg so I can narcissistically see my abs, but it seems my body found its sweet sport and does not want to lose weight anymore)!
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2018, 01:22:11 AM »

Where did u buy your Tanacetum annuum it expensive everywhere I looked
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2018, 06:10:34 AM »

Hey badknot,

Yes, tanacetum annuum is expansive, anywhere you buy it (I bought it along with the others EO/VO on a famous specialized French website)... BUT it's definitively worth it. I tend to think that, if money is really a problem, you may skip on chamaemelum nobile EO, but you actually can't on tanacetum, which plays a great role in my synergy.

About that, a little update: I've been using my mixture since 2-3 months, and I can confirm I do see a great difference between the days/times I apply it and the day/times I don't (pain and inflammation feeling, penis shape, hard flaccid, confort, sensitivity, etc.). More generally, scar seems to still be softening and deformity seems to stop worsening, but about that I can't judge what belongs to my mixture and what belongs to my monthly PRP shots; I do think my mixture is doing some long-term good though (just a gut feeling).



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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2018, 05:17:37 PM »

Would you say that of all of these oils, if I had to pick one to help with hard flaccid, castor oil is the way to go? I want to combine them all but I would literally need to buy about 20 different essential/vegetable oils lol.

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2018, 02:52:55 AM »

Hey JS,

Yes, the protocol is quite messy actually, but once you've got all the stuff and took the habit, you find it almost handy^^!!

Anyway, no, castor oil alone doesn't do much but pleasingly softening your skin. If you want to get a good part of the benefits of the whole mixture without buying everything, just go for tanacetum annuum + eucalyptus citriodora + emu/castor oil.

This, applied 2 to 3 times per day, should already help a lot with HF!
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2018, 05:36:25 PM »

Thanks a lot Gabriel, I'm going to start with that mixture and then begin slowly adding on until I reach what you yourself apply.

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2018, 05:04:00 PM »

I am surprised no-one is looking into the strong antifibrotic effects of calendula...
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2018, 01:27:24 PM »

Hey Pey Ron,

Thanks a lot for your suggestion! I never knew about calendula; actually I did'nt know anything about EO prior to Peyronie's!

I just made a few researches about it :
- It does seem to be an efficient anti-inflammatory and anitoxydant: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4665477/
- But it promotes granulation tissue, which does not seem that good for us (but I'm totally speculating here; the help of someone with medical culture would be appreciated): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granulation_tissue

--> So, what do you think guys? Would it be worth trying it?


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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2018, 02:43:24 PM »

Broage oil is good for creating PGE-1
Maybe there is a cure, topical pge 1, who knows.
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2018, 04:30:59 AM »

Also evening primrose oil = more PGE-1, interestingly Semen contains a lot of PGE-1, only downside (I think) is PGE-1 has a 'very' short half-life  :-\
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all i know is that a friend faded a burn scar big time thanks to a folk recipe that included calendula flowers extract... seems like a miracle...
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2018, 02:56:53 AM »

No doubt Pey Ron, Calendula does seem to have amazing properties!

The thing is, I also came across a study which showed that calendula decreases nitric oxid... Something we don't want!!

But if someone is ready to test, please go ahead :)
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Please link the study
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Re: Essential & vegetal oils 2.0
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2018, 01:53:02 PM »

There is NO way that rubbing oil on your penis is ever going to allow the oil to go through the skin, past blood vessels and capillaries, and into the tunica where the plaque is.  It is non-scientific mumbo-jumbo.  Even if you mixed it with DMSO it would not unless it had a molecular weight within a certain range.  Even if you injected it there is zero evidence that any kind of oil attacks or overcomes scar tissue (external on the Tunica). 

Either this does nothing or the messaging has some minimal effect.  If so, then you would be just as well off messaging butter, KY jelly, or water on your penis.
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Re: Essential & vegetal oils 2.0
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »

Water is right on!  Even diminishing a scar on the surface of the skin is only done by increasing moisture.  Medical studies show that Vaseline works as well as any medication or specially formulated cream.  Only product that has more success is silicon gel strips because they can hold the moisture tonthe skin for hours at a time.
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Re: Essential & vegetal oils 2.0
« Reply #28 on: Today at 06:39:19 AM »

Even studies with iontophoresis and Verapamil, with patients prior to surgery where the tunica tissue was tested that the product did not make it through to the tunica.
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