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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #100 on: February 28, 2019, 10:03:15 PM »

Everyone should try the Snake Diet fasting routine, honestly.
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« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2019, 02:49:25 AM »

James, your doctor doesn't know what he's talking about regarding fasting. I started my fasting with a stomach ulcer and it healed completely; quite the opposite of your uninformed doctor. Not that he is uninformed in general, just regarding fasting!

Neo, that is amazing!

Christopher, Agreed, and thank you so much for putting me onto the Snake Diet!!

Tony, thanks!!


I'm wrapping up my final water fast and at this point am going to shift over to the dry fasting thread. Here is a final photo of my erect penis, which is now completely dent-free: https://m.imgur.com/a/Nh11AEs (you can go back to my older post in this thread to compare it to pre-fast and mid-fast).

Also, an amazing documentary I found on fasting, with doctors, studies, etc. contained within (water fasting): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b08X-GvRs

Please, watch that documentary.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2019, 08:22:05 AM »

Why are you switching over to the dry fasting thread?

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« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2019, 05:59:57 PM »

Because at this point I feel comfortable enough with water fasting that I am going to stop doing it, and switch over to dry fasting weekly.
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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #104 on: March 20, 2019, 01:03:34 PM »

You're welcome, brother. Keep at it.
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« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2019, 07:13:16 AM »

Because of this thread i started to do a waterfast with Snake juice as well. I am at the beginning stages of possible peyronies according to my urologist. I have a small dent on the left side and two small bb pallet like plagues on the upper side of my shaft.

I did a waterfast of only 72 jours and boy the results! My inflammation went down considerably. And one of my BB pallets is gone! The other one has reduced in size and feels softer if that makes Sense. No change in my dent yet. Right now im intermittant fasting on a keto diet. Recently I picked up pentox and it seems to help with my hard flaccid. I want to do another waterfasting soon and go for a longer periode. The only challenge i have is the pentox. Apparently you need tot take it after a meal to protect your stomach, but if i go fasting that is obviously not possible. Any tips regarding this to make sure i can keep using pentox while fasting? Or is this simply not possible? Anyway thank you guys for this thread! It had given me new hope to combat this.
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« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2019, 12:05:29 PM »

Try taking it on an empty stomach and see if it causes stomach upset.  If it does you could try taking it w an anti-acid med OTC to see if that works.  Keto and IF are great anti-inflammatories but I’d consider adding low dose daily PDE5i and traction or VED as well.  Be sure to read the survival guide: Peyronies Survival Guide - Information for New Members - Peyronies Society Forums
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« Reply #107 on: April 03, 2019, 05:08:10 PM »

Thank you for your reply. Today i tried the pentox on an empty stomach. No problems whatsoever. Gonna add, 2,5 mg of Cialis to my regimen. Hopefully it will help some as well. This sunday i Will begin my waterfast. I will keep you guys updated. Good luck to all of you.
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« Reply #108 on: April 05, 2019, 02:40:06 PM »

Hey guys,

Slowly creeping back up to the forum and reading all the posts I missed after 2-3 months of very intensive work and medical experimentations.

God I love this place. We're amazing.

JS, let me be clear once and for all, I'm the biggest fan of what you're doing, and how you're telling it. I've now been nearly 3 months on a strict keto diet, and I'm coming out right now of a 3 days snake juice fast. No solid results yet on Peyronies Disease (inflammation + difformity), but I'm preparing a huge post with an incredible bunk of supernatural overall health benefits. Please keep us updated as often as you can of your dry fasting progress; that's the next step for me too, after three or four more 3-10 days water fasts.

Cheers guys,

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Re: Water fasting.
« Reply #109 on: April 05, 2019, 03:26:42 PM »

Snaffu, will you also add traction or VED?
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« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2019, 06:11:13 AM »

Just to let you know guys: day 1 of a 7-10 snake juice water fast today. I have already been on keto for 3 months now, so I don't expect any transition phase; I just fear the 3-5 days "healing crisis" mark (which I just had time to hit when I did my 72 hours fast, and gosh that was'nt pleasant)...

The goal is 1) Decreasing/eliminating that f~@inflammation/pain I've been suffering from for 18+ months; 2) Stopping the progression of fibrosis (hourglass difformity, slowly but steadily getting worse); 3) Why not, getting rid of other old syndroms (low back pain, sensitive bowel, CPPS although already ~70% cured by keto).

I'll let you know what happens :-)!

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« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2019, 12:30:23 PM »

i just finished a 70 hour water fast,had intentions for dry fast today but after i drunk some water i ate an orange so next time for me .saw a small improvement in full erection this morning.i also want to add something i tried to gain weight a month ago but  fasting was harder this time(last time i was clean eating and just fasted way easier) so next time i will keep my normal diet and fast.
   gabriel hope for you the best
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« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2019, 09:33:44 PM »

I'm curious about the 3-5 days "healing crisis". When I last did a fast I stopped at 3 days because things went backwards, first day hungry but ok, second day hard flaccid completely gone everything felt pain free and loose, third day the same up until the evening when everything tightened up again, skin went blotchy, concentration went to crap.

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« Reply #113 on: April 16, 2019, 04:21:20 AM »

hunger after day 2 wasn't an issue i will refeed and try again the soonest ,  a member joao i think said he completely healed after seven days of water only last year
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« Reply #114 on: April 17, 2019, 08:30:07 PM »

Glad to see people trying their best. I did a dry-fast of 3 days followed by a water-fast of 18 days. So in total, 21-days. I did it in a clinic, in Santa Rosa, California. It did help with inflammation, especially with hard-flaccid. The penis would be hanging naturally all the time during and slowly after. No change though in peyronies whatsoever. No change in anything. Maybe it will work for others though. I will not do it again :) But I am sure any kind of diet that excludes meat is good for inflammation.
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« Reply #115 on: April 17, 2019, 10:39:46 PM »

That's funny because I am on quite literally an all meat diet and my markers of inflammation could not be better. Then when I fasted, I got actual results with regards to Peyronie's.

Then we have this, an actual interventional controlled trial for nutrition, rare but wonderful - https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/2/363/4664544

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Our results suggest that partial replacement of dietary carbohydrate with protein from lean red meat does not elevate oxidative stress or inflammation.

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« Reply #116 on: April 17, 2019, 10:46:22 PM »

Jaoa completely healed of what after fasting?
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« Reply #117 on: April 18, 2019, 04:57:06 AM »

That's funny because I am on quite literally an all meat diet and my markers of inflammation could not be better. Then when I fasted, I got actual results with regards to Peyronie's.

Then we have this, an actual interventional controlled trial for nutrition, rare but wonderful - https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/137/2/363/4664544

Yes, that is an important study. Although one needs to read it carefully: "In conclusion, the results of this study suggest that a modest increase in the intake of lean red meat in iron-replete individuals is unlikely to increase oxidative stress or inflammation. This conclusion is limited to the short term when lean red meat provided to participants partially replaces carbohydrate in the diet. Our results do not support the suggestion that higher red meat intake leads to increased risk of heart disease and type 2 diabetes via effects of iron to increase oxidative stress and inflammation."

This might suggest that replacing some carbs intake with lean red meat might actually be better for inflammation and for the short-term. Replacing is one thing, adding on top of your diet is a different thing. Doing it long-term, another thing. Plus, not too many people eat lean red meat or cook at home high-quality meat. I would be surprised to find the same results from processed meat. I would like to see this study in a long-term fashion as well.

Do you know of any newer study, since this one is from 2007?

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« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2019, 11:02:48 AM »

Do you know of any newer study, since this one is from 2007?

Thanks,

The date of the study matters exactly zero, the human body has not changed in that time.

Do you require the same level of evidence to support your opinions as you do to disprove them?

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« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2019, 01:47:25 AM »

skunkworks, your answer is stupid. I will not waste my time with you again. There is nothing in my response that disproves anything. Can anybody on this post tell me what did I say to disprove anything?

I asked you a question. Period. If you want to make this place your childish battlefield, or if your life is miserable, go to a psychologist. Give me the f... alone. And learn how to read.

And please, don't you ever mention me again. I am here to help others and be constructive. Not to tolerate your BS and your fanatism about stupid meat. And I am not the only one here who is tired of your BS.
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« Reply #121 on: April 19, 2019, 06:23:45 AM »

krazylord, you are usually a benevolent fellow, play the ball not the man, please  :)
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« Reply #122 on: April 19, 2019, 09:10:51 AM »

Krazylord I'm just going to ignore that whole post because I could have been more detailed in my response previously. I would advise getting your manners in check pretty damn quick though.

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Yes, that is an important study. Although one needs to read it carefully: "In conclusion, the results of this study suggest that a modest increase in the intake of lean red meat in iron-replete individuals is unlikely to increase oxidative stress or inflammation. This conclusion is limited to the short term when lean red meat provided to participants partially replaces carbohydrate in the diet. Our results do not support the suggestion that higher red meat intake leads to increased risk of heart disease and type 2 diabetes via effects of iron to increase oxidative stress and inflammation."

Reading it carefully is exactly what I did, I can send you the full text pdf if you would like. The quote you posted from the conclusion does not present any different information than the abstract.

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I would like to see this study in a long-term fashion as well.

You are asking for a longer term study of what is already a long interventional study on nutrition, that is not a reasonable request. The same is true for wanting a more recent study, I hear that request a lot, but in this case it's ludicrous. 2007 is not an old study.

I said "Do you require the same level of evidence to support your opinions as you do to disprove them?" because this is something I see all the time. When studies are presented that do not support a person's supposition, the response from them is all too often 'i want a bigger/longer/newer' study. And my question is, would you ask for the same if the study supported your supposition?

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« Reply #123 on: April 19, 2019, 11:11:31 AM »

  guys  we are not enemies here , were here because of a common enemy Peyronies Disease
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« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2019, 06:48:03 PM »

Thanks for the link whyisthishappening, but I don’t see him explaining what he means his peyronies was cured.  Fir example curve went from 40 to 5 degrees...but maybe I’m missing it.
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« Reply #125 on: April 21, 2019, 05:05:40 AM »

OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU*CK

GUYS GUYS GUYS

OK I'm so fu*king excited, I'm gonna cool down and try to write this post calmly :D

SO, here we are in my fasting journey:

D1-2: Relatively easy, already in ketosis so few and limited hunger pangs, just psychological need from food and some boredom.

D3-4: Quite hard actually, not feeling that well, beginning to have low blood pressure, sometimes harsh desire for food although more psychological and social than physical.

D5: Better regarding to food, but boredom and semi-weakness (low prolonged efforts are OK, but any "high" effort even for two seconds is out of question), and begin to feel desperate and depressed because absolutely NO improvement whatsoever in my difformity or terrible pain.

D6: Same thing but worst; strange phase between 10AM - 3PM, where I felt the urgent and non-negociable need to go back home and lie down for a few hours, without even sleeping, but without doing absolutely anything. Felt actually just like when you have a flu or a profound disease that tells you: "man, just stay in that bed, do nothing and shut the fu*k up, I'm working". Wasn't that bad nor scary, but I felt strange feelings in my body, with a little and really short flare up of Peyronie's flaccid pain (nothing as big as the "healing crisis" I've heard about). Still feeling somehow desperate though, and a little moody afterwards.

Tonight (D6 to D7): waking up having a nocturnal erection, as from 19+ months now, and feeling... almost NOTHING. NO.FUC*ING.THING. Guys, you cannot imagine how it feels, after TWO f~@<ing YEARS feeling like I have a knife stuck in my whole penis anytime my junk goes up. After 4000+ euros spent in urologists, injections, shockwaves, more than twenty oral meds, daily humiliating pumping and tracting, a f~@<ing Peyronies-second-job-and-rent... Seven days of fasting and 80% of the inflammation is gone overnight. This is UNBELIEVABLE. I've semi-masturbated two times this morning as I couldn't believe it: same feeling, ALMOST NO PAIN. Sweet f~@<ing Jesus...

Now, I'm extatic but my concern is: will it last? What will happen tomorrow and the next days when I have an erection? What will happen when I refeed and go back to eating (keto) in 3 days? And, less important to my eyes as this pain was bloody life-ravaging: what about the re-shaping of the severe hourglass difformity?

I'll let you know how it evolves guys. Feel free to ask questions in the meantime. Gosh I'm gonna go for a walk under the sun enjoying the moment and hoping it will last.

Cheers and love

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« Reply #126 on: April 21, 2019, 09:36:12 AM »

Super happy for you Gabriel!

Now re your concern, my significant issue is/was hourglassing which was almost a decade old now. It improved after fasting (when I had nutrition outside of fasting sorted). If my decade old almost certainly calcified situation can improve, I'd be very optimistic that yours can.

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« Reply #127 on: April 21, 2019, 05:09:07 PM »

Great news Gabriel!  That’s significant and I suspect keto will keep the pain away not that you’ve attacked the inflammation.
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« Reply #128 on: April 22, 2019, 12:28:03 PM »

Skunk, Tony, thank you :-)!

Well, the inflammation has rose again, but NOT to the same level as before; I guess there is still a long/medium way to go, but at least I'm now 100% ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that we are on the right path. Since yesterday, I keep having more and more strange not-so-unpleasant pain while flaccid throughout the day, especially when I lie down and rest still; these feelings are exactly the same as I experienced in a less intense way the day before my inflammation subsided.

I'm really hoping for another significant decrease before I end my fast on wednesday; but anyway, I now know that I will do one ore more other prolonged fast, as soon as possible, to finish off my inflammation/pain. From my latest researches, also according to JS (thanks again man, great example!) and contrary to my spontaneous opinion, dry fasting seem to be the most efficient way to go. See here a quite good synthesis about it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsRld1K8Eo (and yes guys, I'm sorry to say it, I hated him too at the beginning, but we have to confess it: YES, Thomas de Lauer is good. Beyond its appearance, style and everything irritating, the guy present things that are backed by hard science, in an always serious and great pedagogical manner!)
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« Reply #129 on: April 22, 2019, 01:29:26 PM »

Jesus Gabriel this made my day!! So good to hear that you have found something to battle your pain. That's Just awesome! I haven't looked at the forum for a while now because of some thesis stress but damn, the first time to be back is a good one. 😁 Good luck guys, we dan do this 💪🏻

PS. For the person who asked if i use VED/traction i would first like to apologise for the late response. As mentioned above it has been a while on this forum. To answer your question: no not yet, i am looking into VED at the moment.
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