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[ComeBacKid]

Iceman,

I've gained slight length, but mainly width, I lost more girth than anything with this terrible disease.  My penis was thinning.

Comebackid

[cowboyfood]

Iceman,

December 2008 I noticed my penis had a slight upward bent...a few weeks later I noticed a dent on the right/top side on my penis just below the glans.

In February 2009, I noticed that my penis had an upward bend of about 25-30 degrees from where my dent was located.

I did not notice any other right or left bend.  I did not notice any size loss.

I started supplements and VED in April 2009; In May I added Viagra and Pentox.

Over the following summer and into the fall I noticed two things:  My upward bend had disappeared, but the dent progressed to the other side, the left side.

Fast forward to today.  My dent is pretty much the same; more noticeable when partially erect compared to when I'm fully erect.  When I'm fully erect, you can visually see the dent on the right side (not too bad) and barely see it on the left side.  Overall, it's got some appearances of hourglass, but I might have to point it out for another to really notice it.

Still no sign of size loss.  Erections are good, night-time erections are frequent. 

In regards to erections, I went through a period from April to late fall/early winter of 2009 where my erectile quality was pretty poor w/o viagra.  Looking back, I think my mental state was a significant if not the only cause for the poor quality.  My mental state is better than ever right now.  I do not consider my symptoms to be much of a problem mentally or physically.  However, I had to go from severe depression to my current state over a period of about 9 months.  Depression/stress are erection killers.

I'm in the middle of my second VED protocol.  I still take daily doses of pentox and supplements.  I've really reduced my intake of viagra...only every other night...in fact, I haven't taken any for over a week and erection quality is good.  But, I plan on picking up my refill for viagra this week, but I'm happy to see that my erection quality has remained good w/o taking the every other night dosage of 25mg.

CF

[Iceman]

CBK - what would you say your improvement is with VED  - i mean can you give info on a before/after scenario....- I believe that it has helped me -

[ComeBacKid]

Bart,

Yes what your describing is normal, most people fill the A tube completely, but with the B cylinder the bottom half of your penis will fill the tube, and the upper half might bend in it.  Just start pumping slow, and get really warmed up.  With your foreskin, after a few full erection pumps and decreases, take the tube off, and take the foreskin back, try to get it bunched up behind your head, then put the VED back on it and pump and this will cause the foreskin to go back.  Putting lube underneath it causes the foreskin to stay more forward on your head, but you need it to pump.  I find that its good to get a better stretch and make sure your head come sout of the foreskin while pumping.  Just start pumping slowly in the beginning and get good and warmed up.  

I'm doing the VED now, B cylinder everyday, I notice bigger and much thicker erections now, the VED I believe is very good for peyronies therapy.  Just go slowly and don't try to pump to fast, it will take a few pumps before the penis fills up more in the beginning.

I also pump about 20 times, holding each erection for at least 20 seconds.  You can tweak your own routine as you get more comfortable, but in the beginning for at least the first month or two, stick to the plan.

What I seem to see is the longer you hold the erection, the better stretch and size gain you get over the long run, but don't try to pump it up to much and overstretch it where it hurts or you might make it worse. Use common sense, it should never be uncomfortable or painful.

Comebackid

[bart15]

Hey guys,

Thanks for the responses. I have read the great posts on here and I do follow the protocol. I pump up 3 times, then hold for 3-5 seconds, and pump up another 3 times, hold for 5 seconds, and then I will often add another 1-3 pumps depending on how I feel the erection gets for the cycle...sometimes I get a little bit of a pain on the last pump or so but I do it slowly and as soon as I feel the pain I stop the pump and press the release valve very gently to let some pressure out.

CBF, I think I read one of your earlier posts and followed your recommendation on doing a couple of practice pumps to get a good stretch before you start the actual 10 cycles. I guess this period would also apply to Jack's recommendation on warming up and not going to max engorgement for 5 to 10 min.

Additionally, I keep the penis inside the whole time as you guys have mentioned. After doing the pumping earlier today I guess I get a full engorgement along the whole penis, but I do not feel like I get a long stretch in the B tube. It is as if the penis gets wider and somewhat longer, but there is still skin along the shaft that is folded (As in it could and would normally be stretched more in a full and normal erection). Do you guys get full lengthwise stretches in the B and C tubes?

Also, how long do you wait in between cycles when your penis just rests in the tubes? Thanks again,

Bart

[jackp]

Bart

I used the VED before the 3 cylinder protocol. If you will read my post on usage of the single cylinder I tell guys not to try to pump to a full erection for 5 to 10 minutes. This give the penis time to be come accustomed to pumping and as you relax the cycles become easier. Also never hold pressure over 20 seconds before releasing (do not break the seal) and then re-pumping.

It takes time to work but it does work.

Jackp

[cowboyfood]

bart,

some quick observations based on your post...first, the way one's penis engorges in a ved may vary from one day compared to another based on several considerations, i.e. environmental conditions such as temperature, mental & physical stress, pressure applied, time between pumps, and so on.

In my ved usage, I noticed that sometimes my penis engorged "unevenly."  I took the board's advice which is to pump once or a few times and hold for several seconds (say 5 to 10) before pumping again...and, repeat this until you've engorged as much as you can for that particular cycle. 

For me in regards to the larger B and C tubes and depending on the above-mentioned considerations, I may not achieve "full engorgement" until I've completed several cycles, each cycle consisting of many pump and hold actions.

From what you stated in your post, you are VERY EARLY in your ved usage history, so I would not try to over-analyze the presentation your penis makes during a cycle. 

I'm in the middle of my second protocol and I consistently get great stretches...believe me, that has not always been the case, especially in the first half to two-thirds of the first protocol I did.

CF

[bart15]

Hello,

So I finished the first two weeks of the A protocol and now I am halfway through the first B week, and I was hoping to get some help. First off, I now realize what people meant when their scrotum gets sucked in with the bigger cylinders. This problem isn't too big I just hold my whole scrotum downwards while I pump.

My issue right now with the B tube is that it seems like I am getting a lot of blood into my penis, but a lot of it is going towards the bottom half of my penis. Like the bottom becomes erect fully and touches the walls of the cylinder, while the top half doesn't become fully erect. (I was expecting to get a longer stretch as well, to the point where the head of my penis came out of the foreskin, but it usually only comes out like a quarter of the way when I pump up...is this normal or should i be getting full length stretches too where the head gets large and comes out of the foreskin?).

Any insight would be great! Thanks,

Bart

[wayne999]

Hi Iceman

Can you take a look at the PM I sent you, thanks.

I went away on vacation for 3 weeks and didnt take the pump with me for fear of explaining this instrument to curious customs officials PLUS the horror of seeing it on the Xray monitor is just too much to handle - so the result was loss of length and increased curvature - i reckon by not using the VED for 3 wks has put me back a bit . The conclusion is  the the VED does work ( at least for me) - I am now back on it and pumping merrily away.

[bart15]

Old Man,

Thanks for the advice.

Bart

[Old Man]

despise:

Cycles means that part of the procedure where you pump up the pressure, hold for the desired period of time, release the pressure while maintaining the seal in the cylinders and let the penis deflate. Then you repeat this procedure over and over the desired period of session time.

Bart15:

Yes, when assembling the VED with all three cylinders, by all means if possible, use both inserts as stated to prevent the skin from being drawn in between the mouth of the three assembled cylinders. However, if the shaft is too large for this to happen comfortably, you may have to leave out the small insert and be extremely careful with the amount of vacuum used then. Yes, you can put both inserts together before placing them in the mouth of the cylinders or you can do it afterwards - your choice as it makes no difference.

Now about the amount of the shaft getting into the cylinders. If you use plenty of lube all the way down on your shaft and well up into the cylinders, it will slide into the A cylinder better. If you work slowly and maybe jockey the VED around around a bit on the shaft as you are pumping, it may cause more of the shaft to get into the A tube. Just practice using different approaches with getting the shaft into the cylinder as possible. With daily sessions, you will soon learn what works with this and what does not work. As the old saw says: practice makes perfect, applies with VED therapy. Lastly, if you can get the affected area of the shaft into the cylinder, you will still receive the desired benefit for that area, just try to get as much in as possible without pain or discomfort.

Remember, that VED therapy is designed for the long haul, do not get impatient and work the protocol as if it were dessert after a good steak dinner! (No pun intended-just advice!)

Old Man

[despise]

what our cycles? i was reading the protocol and don't understand what it means by cycles? stop and repeat perhaps?

[bart15]

I would also like to say that I did my first VED session with the A tube today and it was awesome to see a straight erection, even if it was in a "cast" haha  . I wanted to ask two things about the A cylinder, since it was what most people were having problems with so I just want to confirm some things:

1). When you use both of the sizing inserts to prevent the scrotum from being pulled in, you put the smaller insert into the larger one correct? (As in you can assemble the big and small sizing insert outside of the cylinders, and then put the package of both inserts into the C cylinder at once).

2). When I was doing the A cylinder today, I was getting nice stretches that pressed against the cylinder. I was just wondering do you want to have your whole shaft inside the cylinder, or as much of it as possible? I guess it would make sense to, but at times I was able to get good seals in between the cycles without the whole shaft in (But still probably like 90-95% in). This was probably because the penis was already partially engorged between the cycles so is it ok if I wasn't totally in sometimes? I was still getting the seal, attaining a nice full erection, and since my curve is located mid shaft then should I not be worried about this base portion that I am missing?

Thanks,

Bart

[bart15]

how do you wear it during the day etc - i mean what about work - how do you make it work - can you use it at night in front of the tv - how would this be feasible???

Also whats the difference between fastsize usage and VED?

Hey,

The difference between VED and FastSize is the VED causes an "artifical" erection by pulling blood into and engorging the penis. FastSize is a traction device, you wear it under your clothes and it provides slight tension onto your penis which is supposed to increase your penis size and hopefully improve your curvature. If you want you can private message me and I will send you Dr. Levine's pilot study using the traction device in his patients. As stated by chiguy, a big difference in usage between the two is time commitment each day; traction you should be aiming for around 5-8 hours a day according to the study while VED you can finish a session in about 30 minutes.

Thus the device you choose largely does depend on your ability to commit the time to the specific device, and if you cannot find the time to wear the traction device for the target period than you should go with the VED probably. You can wear it underneath your pants at night while watching tv BUT YOU CANNOT WEAR IT OVERNIGHT WHILE SLEEPING. You are supposed to take it off every 2 hours for 15 minutes to give your penis rest and allow normal blood flow to return, which you obviously cannot do while you are sleeping (and this would also hinder nocturnal erections, I cannot even imagine but this would be definitely bad).

On a side note, I am planning on doing both. I am studying at home so I have the time to use the traction device, and the VED is honestly very little time commitment per day. However, be prepared for a long haul because both have 6 month protocols, and often people use them much longer (And do maintenance as Old Man stated).

[Iceman]

how do you wear it during the day etc - i mean what about work - how do you make it work - can you use it at night in front of the tv - how would this be feasible???

Also whats the difference between fastsize usage and VED?

[chiguy]

Fastsize is a traction device. It works by providing a constant stretch to your penis in a flaccid state. This allows the penis to heal scar tissue and build new tissue. You add bars to the device every two weeks and eventually the point is to straighten out your curve. If you google fastsize, the website will pop up. It was normally used as a method of building penis size, but several studies and one conducted by Dr. Levine showed that it could reduce curvature by up to 50%. Some people have claimed it virtually eliminated their curvature.

The device isn't that bad. It takes a few days to get used to. I've been using it for a week now and have done 35 hours. In Dr. Levine's study, every person who used the device had some curvature reduction over a 6 month period. There are no side effects if you use the device correctly. It is also not expensive. The Peyronie's package costs about $240 with the discount code (LEVINE).

The catch is that for the best results, you must wear the device for 6-8 hours per day (or averaged over a week). Those who wore the device for only 2-4 hours per day did experience curve reduction and length/girth gain, but every study has shown that the more you wear the device, the better your outcome.

Dr. Levine has patients that has completely reduced their curves (not included in the study) and have built more than 2 inches in length (after the study as well). I have relatively mild curvature and wanted to try this method first. I have noticed a fuller erection even though I didn't have erection problems to begin with. This is only after one week, but I have been consistent with the device. Fortunately, I have the time now to devote to use.

[Iceman]

whats fastsize??

[jackp]

Iceman

When I was in the hospital for 10 days in 2008, I was off the VED for over 2 weeks. I thought I have lost all I worked for. Started back and within a week I was back to when I went in the hospital.

Jackp

[chiguy]

Other forum members have posted the same problem with the ved. I know Comebackid mentioned something similar about how he stopped the ved for a little while and he lost some of the gains he made.

Dr. Levine has said with fastsize, as long as it is used for 6 months, no one lost any of the progress they made. I don't advocate one or the other, as it is personal preference, but that's why I chose fastsize over the ved when I discussed with him.

[Iceman]

I went away on vacation for 3 weeks and didnt take the pump with me for fear of explaining this instrument to curious customs officials PLUS the horror of seeing it on the Xray monitor is just too much to handle - so the result was loss of length and increased curvature - i reckon by not using the VED for 3 wks has put me back a bit . The conclusion is  the the VED does work ( at least for me) - I am now back on it and pumping merrily away.

[Old Man]

danh:

Have patience with the VED therapy. Success to fuller erections does not come overnight. When you get into the larger cylinders, your erections will become fuller. However, if you have venous leakage, the erections may or may not stay up. In that case, you must use the retainer rings to hold up a full erection.

Old Man

[danh]

Nemo, or anyone,
    When you say full, 100 % erection does that mean really hard or just kinda plump and bigger? And is this 1 minute cycle after the 26 week protocol?  I'm on week four of the the 26 week schedule and I really don't get full, 100% erections from the ved, if you know what I mean. I do get somewhat fuller, but nothing like 100 %.  Any thoughts on this? Thanks, danh

[Old Man]

nemo:

You are right, one does not want to leave the penis pumped for very long periods of time. Some sources, even doctors, recommend leaving it pumped up and held for extended periods. But, in my 15 years experience with VED therapy, that just is not recommended by me. Trail and error on my part has taught me many lessons with VED therapy.

Overextending the time ones penis is held under vacuum can and will cause further damage. Extreme caution is to be practiced at all times to prevent overpumping and holding the pressure too long.

So, you are doing what is right as far as I am concerned. So keep up the maintenance practice and you will not lose any benefits gained from the VED therapy. I would suggest that you do the maintenace schedule on at least a weekly basis if not more time permitting.

Old Man

[Nemo]

Old Man,

I still use the pump occasionally just to keep good blood flow going.   I pump up to full, 100% erection and hold for 1 minute.  I do this five times in a row, with a minute or so in between for rest. 

Is that a decent length of time?  I'm just not comfortable leaving a full pump for several minutes at a time - that kind of scares me.

Your advice is appreciated.

Nemo

[Old Man]

bart15:

Just read your post about trying to use the VED without lubricant. I strongly urge you to never try using the VED without lubricant at any time. First thing that will happen to your penis is that it will definitely stick to the cylinder walls and not slide in as it is supposed to do. In addition, there is a serious risk of causing damage to the skin leading to swelling of your penis tissue. If this happens, you must cease using the VED and let any damage heal before proceeding with VED usage. There are other factors that enter into the protocol as well, so be forewarned not to use the VED without sufficient lubricant or you will see negative results.

So, bottom line, review the protocol again, use plenty of lubricant at all times whether practicing getting erections for going for the exercise cycles. My experience with VED usage is quite extensive and I know from my use that it is best to use the lubricant.

Old Man

[Tim468]

Bart, I have had that happen. It is similar IMO to holding the penis in the hand and folding it at the bent place to see if one can unbend it. It doesn't really work, and it particularly does not work in the same way that the VED is meant to help (as recommended here at least - I am not talking about penis enlargement sites).

My thought is why bother to wait? I'd just get going with the protocol that is most likely to work.

Tim

[bart15]

Hey,

For practice, can you use the VED and gain an erection without using the lubricant. I have tried a couple of times today (First time using it today) and it seems the penis sticks to the bottom of the cylinder and folds over slightly as it inches forward with the pressure applied. I just want to get used to it a little before I use lubricant up and actually start the protocol.

Bart

[Old Man]

hightemp:

You did not mention in your post whether or not you have trimmed and shaved the pubic hair around the base of your shaft. It is very necessary that you do to provide a better sealing surface and help prevent the scrotum skin from being pulled into the mouth of the cylinder(s) while pumping. Hair that is only trimmed and not shaved can and will cause a loss of vacuum and sealing ability. Also, when using the small A cylinder you definitely need to use both the small and large sizing insert. The small insert fills the gap between the A and B cylinders when using all three, etc. Once you move into the B cylinder phase of the protocol, you can either use both inserts or only the large one based on how the vacuum applies to your shaft.

I find that holding the vacuum up after pumping for more than just a few seconds can in some cases cause different problems. It may cause the head portion to show redness or a "ring" as you state or other signs of redness, etc. Suggest you try this: pump only enough vacuum to get the blood flow started, hold pumping for a few seconds, then apply a bit more vacuum until you are comfortable with the pressure, then hold it for about a count of 5, then release while holding the VED firmly against your pubic area to prevent losing the seal, etc. Wait only for a few seconds and repeat the pumping cycles stated until you have finished the time you elect to do them.

Now about the color of your penis after a therapy session - every penis takes on a different color while in the VED under vacuum, after the vacuum is released and after you withdraw from the cylinders. You should not see much an indentation or raising of the skin at any point on the head or shaft of your penis. If these appear, you should try to discover the cause and eliminate what is causing them. Any discoloration, increase of size of the penis and/or other noticeable differences from before doing the therapy should disappear after a reasonable period of time. Should any of these conditions last for a long period of time, by all means try to find out the cause and eliminate what is causing them, etc.

Keep up the good work and if you have question at any time, please free to ask for answers, and we will be glad to help.

Old Man

[Hightemp]

I'm looking for feedback from those who have more experience with a 3 cylinder system than do I.

I just finished a session using the A cylinder. During the session, I felt no pain, or discomfort other than the normal "pinching" sensation of the skin nearest my scrotum which I assume is normal given that on one side of the sizing ring there is a vacuum and on the other there is none. Anyway, I seemed to get a very good stretch this session, but was a bit surprised and I must admit concerned by the appearance of my penis when the session was complete. The head of my penis had an obvious ring about half way up. I attributed this to the portion of my penis that does not make contact with the A cylinder. Also, on the base of my shaft, I noticed another ring of skin that appeared to be enlarged. It was obviously due to the loose skin in the area where it makes the transition from penis to scrotum. I use the term enlarged instead of swollen because I do not think I caused any trauma, but it was only due to the application of vacuum. What was obvious was that some of my skin is being pulled into the gap between the A / B and C cylinders. I am using both sizing rings and lots of lube. My third and final observation was that the portion of my penis that was in the cylinder and subject to vacuum was much darker than the portion that remained outside the device. It is not red or blue like a bruise, but more like a good dark tan. Is it because of the increase blood volume in that portion of my penis? I have no pain and no apparent bruising, but I surely do not want to cause any complications.

As a side note, the entire session lasted about 15 minutes. I have the battery operated pump, so I pump for a 2 count, then hold it for approximately 6 to 10 seconds, then release the vacuum. I wait about 15 to 20 seconds, then repeat.

Are all of these things normal, or am I doing something wrong?

[Old Man]

Hightemp:

Yes, you should use both sizing inserts when using the A cylinder, unless your size just precludes the shaft/head from entering the opening. The smaller insert fills the space between the mouth of the A and B cylinder so that the skin of the shaft does not get pulled into the gap causing irritation.

So, as Cowboyfood suggests, practice with getting used to the procedure before embarking on the first week of the protocol. As the old saying goes, practice should make perfection. So, experiment with it until you get the hang of the procedure.

Note to all VED users:

The question has been asked several times about whether or not to trim the pubic hair or shave it. I found that shaving sufficiently wide enough around the base of the shaft provides a much better sealing surface when using the VED. Of course, one must continue to shave it on a regular basis as the hair grows back.

Old Man

[danh]

I was having some trouble figuring it out, then old man told me to use both seals. Seems like you put the smaller seal into the larger. Works very good for me and holds the small cylinder tight inside the others. I'm just starting out and that is what works for me.  danh

[Hightemp]

Perhaps I was putting too much thought into the process.

My reasoning was that with only the larger of the two rings installed, there is a visible gap between cylinders since they do not come into tight contact with the ring. I could see how skin could be pulled between the cylinders, thus causing some discomfort. When the smaller ring is added, the gaps are sealed and the interior diameter of the ring is almost an exact match to that of the "A" cylinder. I just assumed that was by design.  

Anyway, good news as I was having difficulty getting all the way into the "A" Cylinder. The seal seemed to be made more around my shaft than around the base.

Thanks!

[cowboyfood]

Is it necessary to use both sizing rings when using the "A" cylinder?

Good question, and I don't know.  I have used only the larger of the two rings that came with my ved. 

I don't think it's necessary to use any particular ring, just the one allows your penis to fit inside the VED and create the appropriate "seal" with your abdomen.

CF

[Hightemp]

Is it necessary to use both sizing rings when using the "A" cylinder?

[jackp]

danh

For the seal a lot of men trim or shave the pubic hair around the penis. That worked for me.

As for the other question send Old Man a PM he is the expert.

Jackp

[danh]

  I just got my ved yesterday,  tried using it this morning.  Having a little trouble with getting it sealed at the base. I really have to press firmly against my base to keep a vacuum. Is this common? Also the smaller tube seems way to constrictive. I want to follow the protocol, but don't want to force anything. So I just used the "b" tube.  I'm not big by any means, but the "a" cylinder seems way too small, when semi erect. Don't know. Maybe someone can give me suggestions on the small cylinder. There is a straightening effect after using, but the bend seems to come back pretty quickly. Is this common?  I'm not on any pentox yet, but hope to be soon. So, How can I get a better seal at the base?  Do you really have to start with the small cylinder.  Thanks, danh