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Old Man

nates:

Don't forget that the VED can and will provide you with one of the best erections you ever had by using the restrictor ring or rings if two are needed.

If you can get a natural erection using the "pills" OK, but you might wind up relying on them as a crutch for a while. Some guys have a problem of leaning on them for help, etc.

Old Man
Age 92. Peyronies Disease at age 24, Peyronies Disease after
stage four radical prostatectomy in 1995, Heart surgery 2004 with three bypasses/three stents.
Three more stents in 2016. Hiatal hernia surgery 2017 with 1/3 stomach reduction. Many other surgeries too.

nates

Thanks for the advice Old Man. All of your guy's experience will certainly keep from attempting to reinvent the wheel. I haven't tried the restrictor rings yet, but will give them a whirl. I'm not really sold on the pills as so far they have been hit or miss. I'm taking the largest dose available and if they don't do the job sometimes, I can live with that. Unless the Doc recommends a double dose, no way I'm going there. More concerned with achieving penile health than sexual performance. Although they might go hand in hand (no pun intended) I'm on the down side of sexual activity. If I can remedy one and the other happens great.

nates

I've been using the VED now for approx. two months with a slight improvement in curvature. I'm only using the cylinder that came with the VED.(too large) I will be taking the "Old Man's" advice and ordering the two other cylinders that will allow me to follow the protocol that has been established by many. Even though I have had a head start utilizing only the one cylinder, I plan on starting the entire process over when I receive the other two cylinders. Still taking the L-Arginine (2,000 units daily) and the vitamin E that is in the multiple vitamin taken daily. Don't know how effective the E is and will maybe look into a larger supplement. The recent low dose Cialis experiment intrigued me, and I will chat with the Doc for his input on the subject. No apparent side effects and the results seemed very positive. My Doc says that my ED is most likely more effected by my type 2 diabetes than that of the Peyronies disease. If the low dose Cialis helps, as the test results indicate, but doesn't do anything for erections, I guess I can live with that.
I'll post again when I have started the three cylinder protocol and relay results.

Fred22

Quote from: nates on March 23, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
I've been using the VED now for approx. two months with a slight improvement in curvature. I'm only using the cylinder that came with the VED.(too large) I will be taking the "Old Man's" advice and ordering the two other cylinders that will allow me to follow the protocol that has been established by many. Even though I have had a head start utilizing only the one cylinder, I plan on starting the entire process over when I receive the other two cylinders. Still taking the L-Arginine (2,000 units daily) and the vitamin E that is in the multiple vitamin taken daily. Don't know how effective the E is and will maybe look into a larger supplement. The recent low dose Cialis experiment intrigued me, and I will chat with the Doc for his input on the subject. No apparent side effects and the results seemed very positive. My Doc says that my ED is most likely more effected by my type 2 diabetes than that of the Peyronies disease. If the low dose Cialis helps, as the test results indicate, but doesn't do anything for erections, I guess I can live with that.
I'll post again when I have started the three cylinder protocol and relay results.


Check the posts on vitamin E.  I believe Dr. Lue stated that from his research it did more harm than good.....Fred

sangha

Quote from: Skjaldborg on December 10, 2009, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Ironman on December 10, 2009, 11:43:17 AM
I think the best thing would be for the scar to be broken up at least a little to allow blood to flow into it--otherwise how could any supplements, oral, have any effect? And how could dead (scar) tissue be carried away? If you want water to erode a brick wall you mite first chip away at it here and there ...

It doesn't work that way. You can't "break up" scar tissue with a massage because the collagen fibers have replaced healthy tunica. That's why certain surgeries for Peyronie's involve grafting, because they have to remove the scar tissue and replace it with something. Scar tissue isn't dead; fibroblasts, the cells which make collagen for scar tissue, depend on oxygen and thus need blood flow. Pentox helps red blood cells become "squishy" and thins the blood so it can flow into the small vessels in the scar tissue. That's why the medication works (though to a limited extent).

Harsh manipulation of an already damaged penis is a bad idea. This is another one of those situations where if it did work, we would already have heard about it and either Dr. Lue or Dr. Levine would have published something on it. This $50.00 "Peyronie's disease help" video is a scam.

-Skjald

Well I bought the video, have followed it inconsistently.  Harsh manipulation?  WTF are you talking about?  As I have watched it and you haven't I feel qualified to comment.  Some things just appeal to your common sense, like don't run with scissors, look before you cross the road etc.  The video has a few of those that appealed to me.  I won't be using Fastsize but some gentle MANipulation instead while helping with oral treaments.  Scar tissue will not get stretched with a mechanical device, marbles in a sock, peanuts in icecream, the soft tissue will, however.  

Anyway, have your own opinion as I have mine, but calling the video a scam is presumptuous, possibly wrong.  

nates

first reply since March and here's the update. Have not purchased the smaller two cylinders and have only been using the larger tube. I have seen some improvement in the curvature. I do admit that I have wavered from religiously following the routine and have missed days regularly. With the improvement I have seen, it's time to purchase the A and B tubes and really stick to the protocol. No length or girth improvement at this time. ED is still prevalent. Although I can obtain and erection, the longevity is always short lived. Cialis does help but only as a crutch. Looking into Pentox as another helpful treatment.
Rick

fubar

Nate's

Ed is no joke it means a mayjor cardiac occurrence in 2 to 5;years. Mine is comming soon and I have out lived the first one. Men in between 40 and 50 have to listen to this warning.Loosing your Hardon means something is comming  soon.I will be seeing my cardiologist soon

Fubar

jetedwardz

have had very good results so far massaging the scar tissue spots while flacid, stretching with on hand and then doing what ev with the other a lot of kinda quick little pinches. ur fingers dont slide over skin so it doesnt hurt like it sounds. one spot under my late circumsision scar is kinda a pain to get at tho as that skin does get tender.the peyronies isnt from that procedure.

Noway

Massage stretching is a scam obviously and stupid its like people that say hanging weights to an erected penis will make it bigger.

stuartmar

Exactly where is the area located that you were massaging and this small piece of scar tissue "broke off". Top, left or right side, bottom, etc.

loveletters



Well I bought the video, have followed it inconsistently.  Harsh manipulation?  WTF are you talking about?  As I have watched it and you haven't I feel qualified to comment.  Some things just appeal to your common sense, like don't run with scissors, look before you cross the road etc.  The video has a few of those that appealed to me.  I won't be using Fastsize but some gentle MANipulation instead while helping with oral treaments.  Scar tissue will not get stretched with a mechanical device, marbles in a sock, peanuts in icecream, the soft tissue will, however.  

Anyway, have your own opinion as I have mine, but calling the video a scam is presumptuous, possibly wrong.
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Can you tell us more please about this video? Do you think it is worth the price? thanks.

james1947

loveletters

I don't know the video you are talking about so I can't tell you if it worth the price.
In any case, this topic have a lot of posts related to stretching, so you can go true and see what other people opinion is regarding penis massage - stretching.

You didn't mention in your post, do you have Peyronies?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

loveletters

Quote from: james1947 on July 30, 2012, 08:56:46 AM
loveletters

I don't know the video you are talking about so I can't tell you if it worth the price.
In any case, this topic have a lot of posts related to stretching, so you can go true and see what other people opinion is regarding penis massage - stretching.

You didn't mention in your post, do you have Peyronies?

James

Yes, I have Peyronies Disease. Compared to what many others seem to be going through, mine is not a terribly serious case, but bad enough for me to want to do something about it. My question was for Sangha who posted earlier, and who had purchased the manual stretching instruction video from Dr Herazy's web site. I was just wondering if he thought it was worth the rather hefty price. In any case, manual stretching seemed more appealing to me, rather than traction devices and VEDs which seem too rough to me.  

james1947

Many of our forum members (including me) used and using VED and traction devices with no problems.
Like with everything in life, have to be carefull.
I would like also tho hear Sangha opinion, hope he will post on the subject.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

LWillisjr

Quote from: loveletters on July 30, 2012, 09:56:12 AM

I was just wondering if he thought it was worth the rather hefty price. In any case, manual stretching seemed more appealing to me, rather than traction devices and VEDs which seem too rough to me.

James is correct in that VED and traction therapy is to be used cautiously. If used correctly it is not "too rough" and has been proven effective for many members on the forum.
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
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goodluck

It seems that gentle stretching would help just like it helps with tendonitis or a muscle pull.  

Has anyone had any improvement with manual stretching alone?  

IF you are doing an array of things together like VED, oral therapies etc. it is hard to know what is contributing to any improvements.

The overwhelming opinion that I have observed on this board over the past year is, those  people selling soulutions on line are opportunitst with a concept and not a proven process.   If anyone of them had consistent and meaningfull success, it would be going around the world right now at light speed.

How come none of those people are members of this board.  I know some have been invited to join.

newguy

My feeling is that manual stretching may be able to help in some cases. I've got no proof of this, other than an acknowledgement that stretching via traction and VED can help those with and without peyronie's. I would say though that as with any strategy there's always a down side. It could be hard to measure the force being exerted by manual stretching for instance, which could result in injury. Whatever approach is taken, it's important to be careful because those with peyronie's are often more susceptible to injury than the average man.

james1947

I think that with this disease, a combination of a few therapies is what is helping.
Each therapy contributes to the final result, in my opinion not the % is important, the final result is.
Regarding people selling solutions, they are indeed opportunists trying to exploit the desperation of the people not finding a solution for they health problems and not just Peyronies. They are not members on this board because it will harm they business!!!

James  
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

newguy

I think you're right James, that it's a combined approach that often works. I especially feel that this is true for those who are very recent to the condition in the active stage. It drives me mad how often these men are told to "wait and see" when they could get going on pentox, coq10, ved and so no.

james1947

Unfortunately it was my own fault not doing nothing for the first three years.
It was after more than one year reading this forum and when my situation get really bad (and maybe irreversible) that I have started treatment.
I hope others, from reading this forum and asking questions will not be stupid as I was!!!

Regarding stretching, I think it may work for some people, as when I was living in Thailand I was treated with stretching and massage for a few probelms with big success. It just have to be done by a person that is really specialised and not a regular massage.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

Noway

I have had my problem for years and which I didn't do anything for a long time and my pain went away and my penis straighten quite a bit on its own. Cialis and pentox help greatly. This active phase for 18 months or if nothing happens is wrong. Peyronies disease as they call it is active all the time and changes and I believe surgery isn't a way to resolve this problem as most urologists say.

Skjaldborg

Noway,

Some of the world's leading Peyronies urologists, like Dr. Lue, would disagree with your point about the duration of the active phase of the disease. Quite frankly, they are much more knowledgable than you are. On what do you base your opinion? Personal experience? That's hardly a useful sample size.

Skjaldborg

MattFoley

Noway,

In terms of straightening the penis, surgery can do it but it's a final option and there are some very possible downsides.

In terms of the ED aspect, surgery can rarely help. According to Dr. Lue, Pentox, VED, and possibly testosterone are the key to remodeling the scar tissue responsible for the ED.

Got Testosterone?

Hawk

Quote from: MattFoley on April 04, 2013, 06:03:06 PM
In terms of the ED aspect, surgery can rarely help.

You mean implants rarely work?  What are you talking about.  It has a higher satisfaction rate than almost any treatment discussed on the forum.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Noway

I have a shrinkage problem like i get an erection and it shrinks if i touch it for a bit so im not sure if its the ed or the scar causing the problem.  

Noway

Why do i and alot of people have pain after 18 months why is one day my penis straight as an arrow then the next day its crooked it changes and im way past this 18 months.

Hawk

You mean some days when you have a full erection it is straight and some days a full erection is crooked?  If so, how crooked?
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Noway

I get either a downwards curve or a curve to the left. Mostly i get the curve to the left when im fully erect ive never done any measurements though. When im like semi hard or flaccid hard i get the banana shape bend or it sharply bends down like more 90 degrees which hasnt happen recently since on pentox. I also have the problem where my penis when hard shrinks after touching it for a bit. Its extremely annoying and frustrating.

Hawk

Flaccid or semi-erect curve means nothing.  Forget it.  

You can only compare a fully erect penis to a fully erect penis.  Also, I am beyond astounded when you tell me you have been around as long as you have been and you have never even taken any measurements.  I don't even begin to understand that.  Establishing a baseline is one of the first things a new member should do.  You certainly need to focus on learning and doing the basics rather than on offering advice to others Noway.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Noway

you can tell if its getting better or not period i dont need to measure it. My doctor never measured it.

Hawk

Noway, I'm sorry, but that is just plain non-sense.  Even a newbie should know better than that.  It might help if you review this article. MUST READ BEFORE YOU POST - Information for new members - Peyronies Society Forums
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

grotesquegnome

In terms of massaging, james said that he would see a specialist in thailand to massage/stretch the penis..

why does it have to be a special type of massage and whats thi technique like? you're telling me that if i just massage the sides of my penis, gently of course, like i would massage any other part of my body (by just applying pressure and rubbing it rotationally) that im doing it incorrectly?

also.. in terms of manual stretching for uncircumcised individuals.. one person (norV) mentioned just pulling on the foreskin to stretch the ligaments instead of the whole penis.. therefore preventing injury. any uncircumcised people do this?

james1947

grotesquegnome

Thai classic massage is taken very seriously in Thailand.
The main school is in Watt Po in Bangkok.
It comprises 5 courses, you can check by the internet the duration and cost.
Even after years of experience, very few masseurs are making penis stretching for different penis health problems because it can cause damage if not done properly. Is completely different than stretching we are talking about.
I done it is the pass for urinary problems and it helped a lot.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

NotWorking

Quote deleted by moderator - James.
This is the third time I have to moderate your posts from total of five as you are not obeying the forum rules.
Next one you will be muted!!!


How does vitamin E help? Also, does it go back once you stop?
Straightening it out

Tbones

WF -  my story is identical to yours!  I did the same thing and from my research we have what is called venous leakage causing ED.  There is a thread on the subject and I have posted my story there and other places if you want to look me up under members, you can see my previous posts.  Anyway,  I've had to resort to Stendra, similar to Viagra for younger guys, to obtain a rigid erection.  I have started using Hot hand packs (see the tread on that subject) and it has eliminated the dull pain I had.  I experience a 2.5 - 3 inch loss in penis length following the loss of getting a good erection.  I hope that does not happen to you.  I have been able to regain maybe 1/2 and inch using a VED is is better than nothing and I hope it will improve.  I'm seeing there is little hope on this subject and would really appreciate an update from you on what you are doing and if it's working?

I was a huge advocate of stretching, but apparently the penis can only take so much and I knew I had overdone it when it happened,  but I had not idea of the terrible consequences.  Like I said in another post,  why don't they warn you about  this in Sex Ed class?

Having said this, I have an appointment tomorrow with my Urologist for an ultrasound, which I'm not looking forward to.  I will ask her about this for sure!

Afeb1996

Hey what ever happened? were you able to find any improvement? Did any of the supplements work?
03/06/2018: Forceful-downwards [from the penile base] injury) > Affected PSL (Penile Suspensory Ligament) > Pelvic Floor Dysfunction > ED (tentatively assumed venogenic) > Peyronies (07/01/2018)