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Author Topic: Cheap and at-home alternative to Shockwave Therapy for erectile dysfunction and Peyronies Disease  (Read 3235 times)

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So I decided to get creative with a device I have.

As some of you know, I have successfully used shockwave therapy to improve my erectile dysfunction a bit - but it was very expensive. I feel that - ideally - shockwaves should be received weekly (once per week; NOT more) for the rest of your life.

Why? Because this vibrating impulse releases histamine and brings in activated platelets that attract stem cells. Think of it like exercise for the penis. More often would probably me harmful. Less often would be less effective.

So what do I use? I use a Jeanie Rub Variable Speed Massager. Works tremendously well. I did not link it here, because it is against the rules.

Now what you do is you use this massager gently on your penis - as you lie your penis towards your navel while in the supine position. Just use it to comfort. It should not hurt at all, but no more than 5 minutes. Afterwards, your penis should feel warm and maybe even tingly. This is a good thing. (NOTE: pain is NOT a good thing. Stop immediately if you feel pain.)

For practice, try using the device on your leg first. Hold the device over your leg until your leg becomes warm and itchy. This is sort of the sensation you are going for (release of histamines and activation of platelets for stem cell recruitment).

Good luck and PM me for questions (or preferably post them here).

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2018, 04:53:28 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On77uZkIcrQ

It does not look powerful, but it is. Do NOT use at full strength.
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That massager is huge, you’ve used it on your penis?
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They have a lot of vibrating messages here in Japan, I’ll try one!
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Yes - I use it on the penis.

I recommend that brand, because it is ridiculously powerful. It has enough force to generate histamine and bring in platelets.

Going to your local Sharper Image or Wal-Mart and picking up a cheap massager will not do.
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What setting, for how long and how frequently do you use?
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I recall reading someone claiming they used a sonicare toothbrush in a similar manner. They claimed that in conjunction with castor oil broke, it broke up the plaque. I have a really powerful one, but it's for my teeth. Obviously, you're using the opposite end, the base, but one could probably wrap it with plastic wrap and use whatever oil is thought to be most effective. I think the toothbrushs like that are only $40? Just a thought.
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Christopher1 - Do you apply heat before and/or after using the Jeanie Rub?  Also would obtaining an erection while using it hinder its effectiveness in any way?  Thanks
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Aren't histamines bad? I've been taking large (4x) doses of allegra because i was under that impression...
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"What setting, for how long and how frequently do you use?"

Moderate intensity. 5 minutes or so (or until it starts to itch [histamine reaction]). Once per week.

It is basically shockwave therapy from the comfort of your home.
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"I recall reading someone claiming they used a sonicare toothbrush in a similar manner. They claimed that in conjunction with castor oil broke, it broke up the plaque. I have a really powerful one, but it's for my teeth. Obviously, you're using the opposite end, the base, but one could probably wrap it with plastic wrap and use whatever oil is thought to be most effective. I think the toothbrushs like that are only $40? Just a thought."

The amplitude and force of the toothbrush would not be sufficient.
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"Christopher1 - Do you apply heat before and/or after using the Jeanie Rub?  Also would obtaining an erection while using it hinder its effectiveness in any way?  Thanks"

I do not apply heat, but it couldn't hurt. Heat brings in fresh arterial blood.
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"Aren't histamines bad? I've been taking large (4x) doses of allegra because i was under that impression..."

Depends on what you are referring to. Local histamine just leads to some mild vasodilation. Systemic histamine release can cause hypotension and fainting.

In this case, the histamine is a good thing.
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Thanks, Christopher1.  Tony52
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And magnesium chloride oil (spray) would mitigate histamine response  :)
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Huh, interesting.

I've noticed a couple of other people on message boards claiming to have "cured" their peyronie's with an electric toothbrush.
It would be wild to see an actual study done on that. Just imagine if it worked?
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Well, actually I must confess that I tried... And it did pretty nothing, except a little pain reduction for a few hours, and, according to my uro to whom I talked to later, may have done more harm than good :s
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In this case, the histamine is a good thing.

I thought they would cause inflammation, no?
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"Well, actually I must confess that I tried... And it did pretty nothing, except a little pain reduction for a few hours, and, according to my uro to whom I talked to later, may have done more harm than good :s"

With a toothbrush? I never recommended a toothbrush. It is kind of like Gainswave, basically.
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"I thought they would cause inflammation, no?"

Vasodilation. Histamine and nitric oxide are both paracrine vasodilators.
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I tried the Sonic Toothbrush technique last year during fall and winter times, and it made my peyronies worst by increasing my curve to the left more by a few degrees.

Now my result is because I did push it too hard on my plaque with the device each session I did and did nothing else after each session i.e. no traction, no VED, no massage, etc.

So now I'm implementing the Sonic Toothbrush technique as part of my routine with traction and massages, but I'm only using it to lightly massage my plaque in a testing attempt to see if it really does help to soften or break down collagen.

For example I also tested it recently on a bruise on my nose, and it did help reduce the size a bit. Plus if it caused my plaque to worsen then it must had an effect on it in some way that causes it to tear, which I presume now and have been testing is that the Sonic Toothbrush technique simply needs to be managed better in application pressure and include massage with traction to possibly may it work for my benefit.

This testing is mostly speculation, so please do not take this as beneficial fact or evidence to prove Sonic Toothbrush works to diminish Peyronies plaque.
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Christopher1-You've had results with this?
Any reason to believe that for $200 that this is more effective than VED?
I don't own a VED so comparing the two makes sense especially since they're around the same price.
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If you have to choose between the VED and the massager, I recommend the VED.

It has far more evidence behind it. It will not, however, do much as far as histamine/platelets. I think there is some evidence the VED clears out TGF-beta. But who knows. The idea, I believe, is that you are forcing rich blood into the more distal, smaller capillaries. (A good thing.)

Traction caused more scar pain for me, so I stopped it. I like the VED though.
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Again, I do not recommend the toothbrush.

For instance, use the toothbrush on your thigh (quadriceps femoris) for 3-5 minutes. Now use the massager I recommend on the same area.

Trust me. With the toothbrush, you will feel nothing. The massager will make your thigh itchy (histamine) and pink/red (oxygenated blood).
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I'm about to start my 2nd round of shock wave next week. Twice a week for 3 weeks.............
It is electrical,sound, or some kind of wave that is applied with a sort of hand wand, kind of like a microphone.........
Its applied to one side as I was told it goes thru the penis to the other side.........
For me, all I hear is a bunch of clicking with no pain at all.........Some people say it feels like a bee sting but I don't feel that.......
Again for me , no numbing necessary at all.......In fact I don't think they even consider it......
   So far after 6 sessions then a 3 week break I THINK I am seeing some improvement but certainly not earth shattering.....
Was told most folks start to feel something during the break.......That's my story..........
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Christopher, you have received the shockwave therapy and you think this massager gave you the exact same effect? What improvement did you see pre-use and post-use. I never imagined shockwave therapy was essentially a giant, powerful vibrator, I thought they used soundwaves. Did they give you numbing cream when you went for shockwave therapy?

Yes - I received shockwaves. It gave me better erections.

Yes - shockwaves are technically better (but far more expensive i.e. not worth it). Yes - they gave me numbing cream but I did not need it.
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Shockwaves are indeed not earth-shattering. I think you need to get them indefinitely once per week (just my opinion).

Hence, my recommendation for this extremely powerful massager.
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I bought the Jeanie Rub massager off eBay and followed your instructions.  I saw some results the following 4 days.  I’m just starting the process, thank you
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Very cool. Glad to hear it.

Consistency is key.
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Christopher, I have found an ultrasound shockwave machine that is actually cheaper than the device you described. I can't link it, but do you think that your device, this massager, truly offers the same release of histamines that ultrasound does? My main goal, other than opening up old capillaries, is recruitment of stem cells.

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Christopher, I have found an ultrasound shockwave machine that is actually cheaper than the device you described. I can't link it,

Just curious, Why can’t you link it?
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it's against the forum rules... @js1991: can you please send me the link in a message?
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It is not against forum rules to post a single link or a link on very infrequent occasions IF you are an established forum member as long as it does not appear you are promoting a site in return for money and as long as it is a reputable site.   It is spammers and scammers we are trying to eliminate.
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I do not think ultrasound will have the same effects, sadly.
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Pey ron, you are correct, I thought it was against the rules. User "Alibaba" sent me the link, he has used it if anyone wants to PM him. It was a link to a machine on eBay but the link no longer seems to work. Here is another one that is very similar: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Original-Ultrasound-Ultrasonic-Therapy-Machine-for-Pain-Relief-1-Mhz-U101/301585772421?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160706105314%26meid%3D29d7fa8568cb405aa7cea563e73274b4%26pid%3D100643%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D301585772421&_trksid=p2045573.c100643.m3226

Christopher, What makes you think that massage device is more effective than ultrasound?

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I already have an ultrasound wand without the box. I can't remember if it was 3MHz or a 1MHz wand and the label doesn't say :(
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My guess is there is model number or model brand name on it somewhere if you search the device.  If you find such, just Google it and you should be able to get the details.
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It's the HS-3040, so it's 3 MHz. @JS1991: you sure 1 MHz is better than 3 MHz?

Output Power   24 VDC
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Resonance   Pulse and Continuous
Output frequency   3 MHz /Sec Adjustable
Switch   ON / OFF
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I have no idea if 1 is better than 3, I assumed the opposite. I'll look your device up.

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This is super exciting to me. I still haven’t bought anything for this but now that my symptoms are so much better (nearly gone), I’m considering new things like this. I’ll see what I can find here ><..
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NeoV, if you improved without it, I am not sure I would introduce it.  Could it possibly inflame or trigger Peyronies Disease?

Are there any studies of ultrasound on Peyronies Disease or erectile dysfunction?

Would you use 1mhz or 3 MHz and why?

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Hi guys........Just my 2 cents.......
I did the full process of Shock Wave Therapy..
!2 sessions--------1800$
I hate to say but it didn't help my erectile dysfunction at all.............So yes my bend went from 75 degrees to 15 degrees after Xia, Traction, VED and manual modeling but what good is a straight dick if you
can't use it........
I have low T but don't want to start taking that so I'm going to start w injections of HCG.....
HCG I'm told should bring up the T levels within a few months.......
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While T levels have a clear impact of libido I think many agree they have only a modest effect on erectile dysfunction.   If you do not find an acceptable solution for erectile dysfunction in oral meds and T replacement then it is probably time to at least consider an implant.  They have a higher satisfaction rate than any other erectile dysfunction solution.

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I am not sure I am picking up on the connection in this topic between Shockwave and ultrasound.  It is two totally different things.
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I never said I recommended ultrasound.

I have no experience with ultrasound besides using them in the clinic for ultrasound-guided injections or diagnostically.

The whole idea behind the Jeanie Rub is the tapotement. Ultrasound is a soundwave at a certain frequency. It does not cause tapotement of the tissues.

You need to use the Jeanie Rub until the machine makes your skin itch. This itch is what causes the histamine release.

Jeanie Rub --> itch --> local histamine release --> vasodilation --> fresh blood --> platelets for healing etc.

With that said - if you want to try the ultrasound, go right ahead and post your results.
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I was not quite correct in the above post.

"This itch is what causes the histamine release." <--- incorrect

The histamine release is what causes your tissues to itch, rather. Hope that makes sense. I was typing in a rush.
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Hi guys........Just my 2 cents.......
I did the full process of Shock Wave Therapy..
!2 sessions--------1800$
I hate to say but it didn't help my erectile dysfunction at all.............So yes my bend went from 75 degrees to 15 degrees after Xia, Traction, VED and manual modeling but what good is a straight dick if you
can't use it........
I have low T but don't want to start taking that so I'm going to start w injections of HCG.....
HCG I'm told should bring up the T levels within a few months.......
Good Luck
Hcg ? You gotta be kidding me.
Inject high dose testosterone with some dht steroid, and consider some nitiric oxide supplement like beet root powder.

People on this forum clearly doesn’t have a CLUE about androgens and endocrinology.
I would take steroids for life than an implant.
At least testosterone pellets
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