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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #700 on: June 05, 2016, 11:11:56 PM »

Hey dumbguy,

Can you share with the community where is this, which doctor, and details like that?

Also, and I am sorry for the questions, but this will benefit everybody, some questions here:

- Is the hourglass effect present in semi-rigid and erect, or only in one of both?
- Do you have an hourglass with a clear plaque explaining it, or is it just the hourglass and you cannot feel any plaque arund the shaft?
- Will the Doc inject the ADSC ONLY around the tunica around the shaft? Or will it inject it in the Corpora Cavernosum? Or both?

Also, could you share pictures of your hourglass in the photos section?. It would be nice to see a before and after picture. Of course, this is totally up to you, but it would help our data of objective treatments (positive or not).

Thanks a lot.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #701 on: June 06, 2016, 12:46:48 AM »

Puebla, Mexico. The name of the doctor is Jenny de Jesus Ayala Certero (G.P), the total cost Would be around 1900 USD
remember this is mexico, so the price would be the wage of around 6 months of an average or little above average worker
well i am not that sure on how bad is the progression at this time. The plaque does feel in flacid and erection, its not fully hardened but its hard for sure, last weeks i´ve been noticing retraction in flaccid and erection, i am almost feeling healthy then i try to use ved and i F^@% up again (thats been around 3 or 4 times), despite my efforts to be cautious ved just F'^+s me and i think has provoked me more injuries, i have not yet a penile extensor but just pulling it 40 min a day has made me see a nice difference whit retraction, nice nice difference this last days
also i have some ed i have no morning woods but i can F^@% so not sure where i am
and well doc sais will put all the liquid in my penis she can whit a high high high concentration of stem cells and less prp so she can fit more of it inside, and the rest will go intravenous. She also will send me to some radio frequency therapy that she sais has helped her get rid of most of fibrosis she had from a recent lipo where they use hyperthermia and after that the radio. I think its the hyperthermia the one working. Well i will try to take photos but im not sure if i will be capable to achive a full erection now as i am i a new, new, new acute stage atm.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #702 on: June 11, 2016, 07:23:48 PM »

Hey!

I´m really excited and i hope i keep it this way, i really do

It´s been around 3.5 hours since the last stem cell injection, it was 10 cc prp plus 10 cc adipose derived stem cells, the procedure was a lot less painful or even bothersome than i expected. still i think the doctor was a little less hygienic or even ethical that other clinics (she attended a cell phone call during the lipo, and after the lipo was attending other patiens as her asistant (wich also seems to be her maid) did all the centrifugation and filtration proces), also im still having my doubts on how well she knows to inject a penis. Anyway you get what you pay for and well i think it well worthed it and if not she sent me some cyprofloxacin just in case lol.

So after all the process the injections begin and i think it was gonna be just like the other things, more bark than bite but i was wrong
it did hurted a lot, more the stem cells, it lingers, so anyway it was around 20 shots all over the penis  and my penis turtled to 4 cm or so, it was horryfing, and there was a time when i thought i f'^+'ed it i just f'^+'ed it this was an awful idea but well i continued the shots as more than the half wasnt still injected
oh another detail she tried fastening me a elastic ribon to provoque me a erection but erection was not posible
well my penis looks now a lot wider and the hourglass is a lot less noticeable im honestly really happy for have it done, some of it must be inflamation but she injected a lot and some of it must have sticked

i feel really hopeful :D

sorry guys i forgot to take a photography of it before, but have some of the procedure
god bless us all


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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #703 on: June 14, 2016, 12:24:30 AM »

Dumbguy

Wish you success with the treatment, update us how is the progress

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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #704 on: June 14, 2016, 09:57:37 AM »

Thanks for the update Dumbguy, this is good to hear. I wish you continued good luck.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #705 on: June 28, 2016, 11:39:53 AM »

its been a long time for me, maybe its relatively little, today i feel kinda hopeless

well first i have to say i was 5 days whit no pentox before injections and that around  7 cc of the stem cells prp coctail were injected in the new lession, the rest were in other parts of the penis however its suposed they travel to the injury no?, anyway, i couldnt have an erection that day. so maybe it reduced its efectivenes
i was almost ok before i could have erections, damn hard erections despite it was difficult to get it hard, but once hard it was hard so i decided to stretch a little that lost size whit a VED and i f'^+'ed up more. I think im now getting a bottleneck insted of a hourglass on the top of the shaft
now its just fuuuuuuuuuuuucking hard to get an erection, retraction and hard flacid were restarting.

something maybe interesting is that the hourglass felt flacid on the flacid state
but later i noticed in fact all that lenght was inside if i pull it the hardness is there
maybe it will take months untill i see some progress, im hoping so
anyway i have gotten back since 2 days ago whit pulling my dick cause it had shown some promising results, but this time as more time as passed its harder to get the same results
i had some big succes whit hiperthermia those good times
so im getting back to manual stretching, hiperthermia and im getting a male edge extensor this week, im determined to do 5 hours a day
i feel if i do nothing now im just F U C K E D

i will cease prp following injections by now
if stem cells dont show much promise i just dont see the point on prp

hope to have better news some months later
whit love dumbguy
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #706 on: June 28, 2016, 06:22:58 PM »

Hey man, thanks for keeping us updated. Do you think you might be overdoing it with the VED and traction? If you let the shots do their work now you can tell if it really works or not. Maybe the extra stress slows down healing. For me it doesn't work anyway, but I know it helped others so maybe you can let it heal from the shots first and then try again with the VED and traction. I hope you'll see results either way.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #707 on: June 30, 2016, 01:32:45 PM »

VED and traction both are mixed bags.  Undue stress on the original fibers of the Tunica is one of the reasons for this disease in most cases.  Scarring develops as the body's way of healing a wound. 

The objective any treatment is to remove the scar tissue which impairs erection and replace it with something less restrictive which still maintains the outer bounds provided by the Tunica in a naturally functioning penis.  Without this outer bound, excessive engorgement is quite possible, AND it is this outer bound which results in erection.  The classic case of Peyronie's is where this outer bound has been bunched up by scar tissue.

Remove the scar tissue, and VED/Traction therapy with a great deal of caution is appropriate.  The purpose of the VED/Traction therapy is to prevent the tissue from bunching back up.  Providing adult stem cells so that the body has something to work with beyond normal scarring processes is not a bad idea, but still bringing the penis up to fill size often during the healing process is important.  Overdoing it can just cause additional scarring and make things worse.  It is a tight rope walk no matter how you look at it.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #708 on: July 06, 2016, 01:45:50 PM »

I still not believe we have nothing better than technologies from seventies..that's embarrassing. I'm so angry I can't accept that my life has been ruined like this I have no peace...we are at the dawn of 2017..
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #709 on: July 09, 2016, 05:18:26 PM »

Hey
Just reporting back
i have a good new, my "gf" told me some days ago my dick is bigger in erection, i also think it does looks wider.
before treatment, even before manual traction the fibrous band seemed hardened and... well now it does looks different in the flacid state is like a hard flacid but more widespread and  mmm not sure it varies i think that i would have gotten more injury of the lasts ved tries whitout stem cells, my gf also sais is longer but not as when we met (before i had bad peyro).
as i said i really did thought to get into hypertheermia now that colagen is not as dense, but i read hypertermia kills stem cells so i decided i will wait till 3 monts after the shot to get back to it.
anyway im in traction right now, androextender, really carefully.
for personal complicated" reasons i ve been overusing my dick this week whit sex, and it feels sore and inflamed but i will be taking a rest of one week full at least.

welll, somethimes i feel hope sometimes i feel its just delusional

but well my gf sais it is bigger, and it should be progressing, so i know they worked but do not know how much will it last

end of this report
ah guys what did i get myself into, f'^+'ing jelquing exercises and bad using of ved

thanks for your suport, and i really hope i have better news for us all soon
stay safe, take care.

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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #710 on: July 10, 2016, 02:56:13 PM »

Yep jelqing is horrible. And I also talked about it on some of those forums but they actually get offended when you warn them. I feel like a lot of these forums are scam and it seems that moderators benefit from keeping people dumb and will use everything to ban negative review. The harsh reality is that it will eventually be positive for us. I imagine loads of guys will hurt themselves doing jelqs and they will later join us and bring a cure for peyronies and maybe a legit way of enlargong the penis closer to us.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #711 on: July 10, 2016, 10:16:21 PM »

yo, i know dude, my life at this moment could be so great, but well im stuck in here
have you read about  the penuma penis enlargement implant?, is a silicon sheat under and around the penis that for what ive read works the same as traction, eventually the penis gets the size of the sheat and its permanent as it´s silicon. it was FDA aproved this year and is performed by dr elist
i dream to get one of em, and after that another one
im starting to break down mentaly
so much f'^+'ing frustration and fear

dude life is hard
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #712 on: July 15, 2016, 03:09:00 PM »

just checked out the implant you were talking about and it looks pretty cool. I would consider getting this as a last resort.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #713 on: July 16, 2016, 02:27:31 AM »

Dumbguy

Can you guide us to the FDA approval?
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it was FDA aproved this year
Make a search on the forum regarding Dr. Elist and see what forum members wrote about him
His forum name is drelist, you may want also to read his posts:
http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php?action=profile;u=12155

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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #714 on: July 16, 2016, 05:45:52 PM »

I've looked into dr.Elist's iimplant too and I wouldn't risk it. Even without peyronie's there's a risk of scarring and I've read a lot of horror stories about it. I'm still curious how many people actually improved their sexlife with it, but so far it doesn't seem like a very good option.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #715 on: July 16, 2016, 06:38:53 PM »

A quick google search of dr. elist implants and you will find some legitimate testimonials and comments pointing to another forum. The testimonials and comments, which seem genuine, do not speak well of Dr. Elist at all. I would highly recommend research him further.
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #716 on: July 17, 2016, 08:02:34 PM »

In the penis enlargement world the name Elist is synonymous with the word BUTCHER. An understatement if anything. The word Sociopath could be added.
Reconstructive surgeons have made lots of money from repairing this guys handiwork, as well as the work of others. I don't think I've seen a single positive review. At least ones that were actually real.
-That implant is no good.
-FFT will resorb into the body
-Lig cuts will only gain someone flaccid length, and you can be left with a nasty scar..

I think gaining .5-1" is possible for length if one really works at stretching, Cutting the ligs won't help, It's not generally something people say they would do again if they could go back.

The least invasive method for permanent girth gains is a filler like PMMA, there have been some success stories/pics, but there have been many semi-negative/negative ones as well (mostly aesthetic problems like nodules). Though, nothing like the horror people who have had Elist operate on them. The best forum for this just started charging to see certain parts of the forum, If they didn't do that I could have showed you guys a great example of an Elist implant gone wrong. Dudes dick looks like a chewed up dog toy.(after reconstruction with the best in the world.)

The best option for girth gains is expensive at this time, and not permanent, but that's the best thing about it (IMO). It's the filler Hyaluronic acid. It is injected in the dartos like PMMA, but if there are problems, or nodules form you can just inject an enzyme that makes it go away immediately. I think it usually lasts a couple years, but obviously gradually starts going away long before that. I am not interested in any of this but for peoples safety I just wanted to throw out the REAL options. I wouldn't want anyone going to the maniac "Butcher of Beverly Hills".

Here is that forum I mentioned before:
PhalloBoards (Version 2.0)
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #717 on: July 23, 2016, 08:58:49 PM »

yo, i know we are getting off topic but i found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlYPAt2KtgM

lately i think due to andropenis i have been experienced increased ed (ZERO response)
so im in lose lose desicion making scar retraction and poor function or zero erectil function and retraction for atophy. hope i have still time to rethink cause i could have worked better whit some function but now...
i will be going to see a good andrologist in some days.
so im planing and praying caverject will get it hard and flexible for the time needed to convince my dad to pay for any implant.
im not covered by insurance and he would have to sell the property that was supposed to be my heresy, however ive read so many stories and dude, this is already going downhill just faster and faster.
anyway interesting procedure (video), i think ive heard those second names in the forum once.
i doubt a lot i can get that one made but i would be glad if that could help anyone and maybe be real or good
my mental sanity is geting lost sometimes
dont know what else to do. i know this is already off topic.
btw i found a paris stem cell human performed work that sais its until the 3 months when cells stop growing but honestly i already have lost fait on it.
im reading your post on psychological distress and ed, sometimes it helps
before i had some hopes whit neov method but now it just doesnt seem to work i mean it doesnt inflate minimally
i really pray caverject helps



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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #718 on: August 01, 2016, 01:40:26 AM »

Both Dr Franklin Kuehhas and Dr Egydio are well known and respected surgeons, including in this forum
Please do not compare them with Dr Elist!!!

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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #719 on: September 10, 2016, 11:13:32 PM »

well 3 months after the procedure, progresion still happening (my penis is narrower (cone) and shorter(1/2 inch))  and i still feel inflamation, sometimes i have good erections, sometimes i have 0. it depends on if i do traction or dont, if i dont i get better erections but i  feel shorter

to consider:
i used pentox tratment 3x500 5 days before the treatment
i used some heat treatments during those 3 monts

sorry guys, i am still hoping i was injected whit a scam and real stem cells work

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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #720 on: October 01, 2017, 02:01:25 PM »

Any news&updates for stem cells clinical trials&treatments?
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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #721 on: November 23, 2017, 03:29:55 AM »

Guys, looks like stem cell research still continues;

Inhibition of penile tunica albuginea myofibroblasts activity by adipose‑derived stem cells

https://www.spandidos-publications.com/etm/14/5/5149



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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #722 on: November 23, 2017, 09:50:38 AM »

Sounds good, I might stick around to see this happening one day. I just hope I can regain my interest in women again without feeling angry and feuatrated when the day comes I dont have to feel that way anymore.
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« Reply #723 on: November 23, 2017, 03:26:28 PM »

Nice to hear this gives you hope popopo 😎
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« Reply #724 on: November 23, 2017, 06:40:51 PM »

Gives me hope also, but at 70 I don't know if I will be around enough time for this treatment :)

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Re: Stem Cells & Adult stem cell injections for Peyronie's
« Reply #725 on: November 24, 2017, 07:20:52 PM »

Inhibition of penile tunica albuginea myofibroblasts activity by adipose‑derived stem cells

Paolo, can you explain this to me in lamens terms I can understand? lol.
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« Reply #726 on: November 24, 2017, 08:09:50 PM »

just pick it apart...

Inhibition = reduction/prevention
penile tunica albuginea myofibroblasts = fibrosis lumps on the tunica
adipose-derived stem cells = a particular stage/type of stem cell reflecting its ability to become something else

Using this type of stem cell reduces or prevents additional fibrosis lumps on the tunica.  Sounds good to me.
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« Reply #727 on: November 24, 2017, 08:49:55 PM »

You so smart bro. Thanks!
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« Reply #728 on: November 25, 2017, 06:15:12 AM »

Cheers kuaka  :)
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